As younger GM's start replacing the old guard will we see offer sheets being used again?

[SniperOnTheWing]

There is a sort of unwritten rule in the NHL these days that general managers don't use the offer sheet option because "it's just not something you do", and in the past we've seen old school guys like Brian Burke freak out when rival GM's tried to snake RFA's away even though it's a perfectly legal option for anybody to use if they want to.

With younger guys like Dubas and Chayka starting to take over teams now, and maybe more coming in the future with different styles and philosophies, do you think we'll eventually see offer sheets make a return? Not saying either of those guys will do it necessarily but surely the old boys club can't keep them away forever.

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[DFAC]

Probably not because you don't really want to piss of other GMs if you can avoid it

Kinda like going after your buddy's girlfriend. Legal but not really cool either

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Probably not until they make the compensation for actually doing it less then it is now it is and will remain to rarely make sense to give up those kinds of picks.

 

[LeafFever]

It is ridiculous GMs will get destroyed if they use offer sheets when it is completely permitted in NHL rules. The NHL would be better off in regards to getting media attention in the summer like the NBA does if it actually was used.
Bobby Clarke got ridiculed for giving an offer sheet to Kesler. Why? And why did Burke launch a media campaign against Lowe over it?
I hope the younger Gms do it. It will take 1 GM to be that trailblazer to do it.

 

[Hasbro]

Bobby Clarke got ridiculed for giving an offer sheet to Kesler. Why? And why did Burke launch a media campaign against Lowe over it?

Because he's a whiny egomaniac who got caught with his pants down.

The reason we don't see many offer sheet is because they aren't that effective and really exist as a market force.

 

[Menzinger]

I can see it happening. As the old boys leave, so will their unwritten rules.

Folks also really over-hype the alleged backlash offersheets supposedly cause. The Flames didn’t seem to get any negatives for their attempted one against ROR nor did Philly when they tried it with Weber.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Dubas certainly won't be offersheeting anyone. Almost every offer sheet signed so far turned out pretty bad, or would have if they weren't matched.

 

[JuniorNelson]

It's not about being old school. It's about being sensible. Offer sheets upset your business partners.

 

[Mickey Marner]

It is ridiculous GMs will get destroyed if they use offer sheets when it is completely permitted in NHL rules. The NHL would be better off in regards to getting media attention in the summer like the NBA does if it actually was used.
Bobby Clarke got ridiculed for giving an offer sheet to Kesler. Why? And why did Burke launch a media campaign against Lowe over it?
I hope the younger Gms do it. It will take 1 GM to be that trailblazer to do it.

Had Burke signed Phil Kessel to a 5y 5.4m offer sheet it would have cost the Leafs a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick. Instead, he traded two 1sts and one 2nd for him, then signed him to a 5y 5.4m contract.

Cutting off his nose to spite his face.

 

[nickdawg95]

Probably not because you don't really want to piss of other GMs if you can avoid it

Kinda like going after your buddy's girlfriend. Legal but not really cool either

we dont love these thottts

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Nope. Offer sheets will never be a thing.

 

[Comely]

Down goes brown wrote a good article about this recently. Offer sheets will never be a thing under the current system for a few reasons. The biggest being that the compensation is way to low. Even though 4 firsts seem like a lot the type of players that get those offers are always worth well more then four firsts so you need a real unique situation for them to even be worth trying.

How to fix the NHL's broken offer sheet system - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Stand Witness]

Offer sheets should happen if it makes sense to happen. I think the problem is we focus on the big name players but offer sheets could be very effective in the mid range.

Like for example, is Domi worth taking a risk on at an offer sheet of 4m for 2 years? That would cost only a 2nd round pick and I would pay the price for that.

A slight overpayment for a short term deal is worth considering. How many teams will give up a 2nd at the deadline for a garbage player? Offer sheet a guy and then if he doesn't perform well enough (say Domi only produces 30 pts), then you dont have to qualify him after 2 years and you got a 30 pt player for a 2nd round pick, or you bid montreal up on the contract.

I don't think the big names is where the real offer sheet potential is.

 

[DaveG]

The whole thing with offer sheets is the player has to sign it as well. Unless someone goes absolutely batshit insane with what they're offering (see Oilers offer to Vanek or the Flyers Weber offer) they're not signing unless it's just flat out as a last resort.

 

[Chips]

Naw. Doesn’t make sense to. Change in GMs is too slow, they’d still piss people off.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

No

1. It’s super risky. Especially for high-end players. Not having a first pick for four years destroys your future.

2. These GMs are new to the league, probably a little intimidated and don’t wanna piss off other GMs.

 

[Hasbro]

Had Burke signed Phil Kessel to a 5y 5.4m offer sheet it would have cost the Leafs a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick. Instead, he traded two 1sts and one 2nd for him, then signed him to a 5y 5.4m contract.

Cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Holy **** was Burke on an ego trip that summer. He also shot his mouth off about trading up for Tavares.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

No

1. It’s super risky. Especially for high-end players. Not having a first pick for four years destroys your future.

I disagree. There's always context.

Imagine Doughty/Karlsson was offer sheeted to Edmonton while they retained McDavid and Drai?

Pretty much would ensure those picks would be in the 27-31 range.

 

[FerrisRox]

Had Burke signed Phil Kessel to a 5y 5.4m offer sheet it would have cost the Leafs a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick. Instead, he traded two 1sts and one 2nd for him, then signed him to a 5y 5.4m contract.

Cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Except the Bruins would have matched the offer.

 

[4thline]

The reason we don't see many offer sheet is because they aren't that effective and really exist as a market force.

Bingo- rfa status has never been about moving players around the league. The league doesn't want it, teams don't want it. Offer sheets are the paper tiger that the league has given the PA in the lip service sham that is "RFA" status. The restrictions are way too powerful, leaving RFA's "Free" in name only

If the league wanted player movement from RFA status there would be EITHER compensatory picks OR right of first refusal (matching), not BOTH.

But the league and teams don't want that, RFA status and offersheets are designed to keep second contracts cheaper and in the hands of the drafting team by artificially raising acquisition cost and restricting demand.

Jacob Trouba was a great example of this.

 

[Anglesmith]

I think it's better for the league for teams to have control of their players up to UFA. I'm glad offer sheets aren't more prevalent.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

I disagree. There's always context.

Imagine Doughty/Karlsson was offer sheeted to Edmonton while they retained McDavid and Drai?

Pretty much would ensure those picks would be in the 27-31 range.

I'm someone who doesn't value draft picks as much as most people on this site do, but they are absolutely important. It absolutely is a risk, whatever way you look at it.

There's no guarantee at all the picks would be in the 27-31 range. Injuries happen, things happen. People are always quick to assume adding a star player means a team performs consistently well, and everything will go as right as it can.

As a Sens fan, when we traded Heatley to San Jose, I remember everyone predicting Heatley was a 60 goal guy all of the sudden. Someone on NBC even threw out 70 goals with Jumbo Joe. Heatley stayed at 40 goals for a year or two and then dropped off. Things aren't always so black and white in hockey...this isn't basketball.

Plus, you're completely underestimating the value of players on ELC to successful teams. It's essential to imagine the cap. Losing that luxury does hurt.

 

[Claypool]

Teams always match. There’s no point in negotiating another team’s contract for their own player.

 

[Jtown]

I think you are going to see less and less trades, and more emphasis on the draft. Basically the salary cap has leveled the playing field and made the draft as one of the few ways to actually get better.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Probably not because you don't really want to piss of other GMs if you can avoid it

Kinda like going after your buddy's girlfriend. Legal but not really cool either

Meh, more like trying to pick up a girl that some work acquaintance already called dibs on.