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[WolfHouse]

Start with failing to sell out a small arena - even with low ticket prices. Add low $C.

That arena was sold out (for seats without a pillar in your view) in the first years the Jets were back... god awful hockey pushed people away

It wasn't attendance - it was Winnipeg Enterprises preventing Shenkarow from getting his Exec Suites - it was a long line of Winnipeg egos and agendas...

 

[flyingkiwi]

SO many free games on NHL.tv this year and I'm yet to find a single one that invloves Winnipeg.

 

[None]

SO many free games on NHL.tv this year and I'm yet to find a single one that invloves Winnipeg.

Tuesday's game being Pierre-Luc Dubois' first game might be one of the free games. They made the Laine Blue Jackets debut game free pretty late I think.

 

[flyingkiwi]

Tuesday's game being Pierre-Luc Dubois' first game might be one of the free games. They made the Laine Blue Jackets debut game free pretty late I think.

Fingers crossed. But it looks like the Ducks Vegas game is pencilled in as the free one that day so I'm not too confident.

If I wasn't planning on starting postgrad in September I'd be a little less cheap and just buy the subscription. The blackout situation in France seems to be a non-issue. Other forms of streaming are no use either cause there's no way in hell I'm getting up to watch it live on some buggy ass site.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That arena was sold out (for seats without a pillar in your view) in the first years the Jets were back... god awful hockey pushed people away

It wasn't attendance - it was Winnipeg Enterprises preventing Shenkarow from getting his Exec Suites - it was a long line of Winnipeg egos and agendas...

Jets 1.0 avg a little over 13k tickets sold their entire time in the NHL. I don't have the exact figure handy anymore, but I added up every ticket sold years ago.
NVM, found it.

Attendance Year per game capacity rate 79/80 13284 15565 85.35% 80/81 13264 15565 85.22% 81/82 13382 15565 85.97% 82/83 12935 15565 83.10% 83/84 12398 15565 79.65% 84/85 12978 15565 83.38% 85/86 13694 15565 87.98% 86/87 13592 15565 87.32% 87/88 12681 15565 81.47% 88/89 12775 15565 82.08% 89/90 13106 15565 84.20% 90/91 12932 15565 83.08% 91/92 12990 15565 83.46% 92/93 13550 15565 87.05% 93/94 13297 15565 85.43% 95 13013 15565 83.60% 95/96 11316 15565 72.70% Avg 13011 15565 83.59% [TBODY] [/TBODY]

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Ticket sales was their single biggest problem. Those numbers include all those 7/11 tickets that were practically given away.

Their fate was sealed before they played their first NHL game when the City of Winnipeg backed out of the City/Provincial/Federal plan to build a new arena. That old barn just didn't have enough good seats that people were willing to pay top dollar for, or even to buy at low prices.

 

[WolfHouse]

Jets 1.0 avg a little over 13k tickets sold their entire time in the NHL. I don't have the exact figure handy anymore, but I added up every ticket sold years ago.
NVM, found it.

Attendance Year per game capacity rate 79/80 13284 15565 85.35% 80/81 13264 15565 85.22% 81/82 13382 15565 85.97% 82/83 12935 15565 83.10% 83/84 12398 15565 79.65% 84/85 12978 15565 83.38% 85/86 13694 15565 87.98% 86/87 13592 15565 87.32% 87/88 12681 15565 81.47% 88/89 12775 15565 82.08% 89/90 13106 15565 84.20% 90/91 12932 15565 83.08% 91/92 12990 15565 83.46% 92/93 13550 15565 87.05% 93/94 13297 15565 85.43% 95 13013 15565 83.60% 95/96 11316 15565 72.70% Avg 13011 15565 83.59% [TBODY] [/TBODY]

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Ticket sales was their single biggest problem. Those numbers include all those 7/11 tickets that were practically given away.

Their fate was sealed before they played their first NHL game when the City of Winnipeg backed out of the City/Provincial/Federal plan to build a new arena. That old barn just didn't have enough good seats that people were willing to pay top dollar for, or even to buy at low prices.

There were several teams with far worse attendance than the Jets... can't really blame people for not going to games to not be able to see the game haha

I agree that Winnipeg did everything it could to fk up the Jets 1.0 but it was the standoff over luxury boxes at the end that killed it - and that's on Winnipeg Enterprises

 

[SUX2BU]

Carolina at Columbus now on Sports net

 

[bustamente]

Roslovic is Laine's centre today and is on PP1, Laine will the laser on CBJ's second pp

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There were several teams with far worse attendance than the Jets... can't really blame people for not going to games to not be able to see the game haha

I agree that Winnipeg did everything it could to fk up the Jets 1.0 but it was the standoff over luxury boxes at the end that killed it - and that's on Winnipeg Enterprises

The luxury boxes were another part of the new arena deal that CoW fu**ed up. So were the bad sight lines. But so too were the low prices for the seats that did sell and the low $C. The other teams with low attendance were US cities that at least did business in $US. You can bet they also had better local TV deals than Wpg too and then there are the sweetheart stadium deals like Florida has now. There are a lot of factors for most teams. No other team had as many difficulties to face as the Jets did except Quebec City, and look what happened to them. Went south a year before Jets did.

Winnipeg Enterprises wasn't the villain. They were just a landlord and probably more generous than some other landlords. Jets 1.0 were spared from having to come up with the capital to build their own arena. Money costs money. That said, they would have been better off walking away from Winnipeg arena when that deal fell through, even if they did need to borrow all of the money to build. I'm pretty sure they would have done that if they could have found a bank willing to lend them the money. IIRC the planned arena was about 75 mil, with 25/25/25 funding. Sounds cheap now. Just 7 years after Jets left TNSE was able to come up with 135 mil to build MTS Place. But that was 24 years after the plan to build a 75 mil arena. The 75 mil arena was probably bigger and nicer. Probably not as well located though.

 

[cbcwpg]

So were the bad sight lines.

My current sightlines are far worse than any seat I ever sat in in the old barn. f***ing Loge.

 

[Whileee]

My current sightlines are far worse than any seat I ever sat in in the old barn. f***ing Loge.

I love my sightlines for the price, and most people who sat in the upper decks in the old arena probably don't have fond memories about sightlines or comfort.

 

[bustamente]

The upper deck was downright scary after a few pops

 

[WolfHouse]

The upper deck was downright scary after a few pops

I thought it was going to collapse after the Ellett OT goal...

 

[WolfHouse]

The luxury boxes were another part of the new arena deal that CoW fu**ed up. So were the bad sight lines. But so too were the low prices for the seats that did sell and the low $C. The other teams with low attendance were US cities that at least did business in $US. You can bet they also had better local TV deals than Wpg too and then there are the sweetheart stadium deals like Florida has now. There are a lot of factors for most teams. No other team had as many difficulties to face as the Jets did except Quebec City, and look what happened to them. Went south a year before Jets did.

Winnipeg Enterprises wasn't the villain. They were just a landlord and probably more generous than some other landlords. Jets 1.0 were spared from having to come up with the capital to build their own arena. Money costs money. That said, they would have been better off walking away from Winnipeg arena when that deal fell through, even if they did need to borrow all of the money to build. I'm pretty sure they would have done that if they could have found a bank willing to lend them the money. IIRC the planned arena was about 75 mil, with 25/25/25 funding. Sounds cheap now. Just 7 years after Jets left TNSE was able to come up with 135 mil to build MTS Place. But that was 24 years after the plan to build a 75 mil arena. The 75 mil arena was probably bigger and nicer. Probably not as well located though.

When they said thanks but no thanks to Izzy Asper.... ah well... ha

 

[ps241]

Roslovic is Laine's centre today and is on PP1, Laine will the laser on CBJ's second pp

I will miss that one time clap bomb but thankfully I get to watch it on highlights still!

 

[10Ducky10]

I thought it was going to collapse after the Ellett OT goal...

I couldn't agree more.

 

[HannuJ]

There were several teams with far worse attendance than the Jets... can't really blame people for not going to games to not be able to see the game haha

I agree that Winnipeg did everything it could to fk up the Jets 1.0 but it was the standoff over luxury boxes at the end that killed it - and that's on Winnipeg Enterprises

i mean, don't forget how shitty Wpg's economy was in the 90s. and 80s. and early 2000s.
wait, is Wpg's economy any good yet?

 

[WaveRaven]

The real killer of 1.0 was the NHL caving on the demand of a salary cap in the previous bargaining agreement.
Without cost certainty we and Quebec were doomed. Especially with all the issues like the barn.

 

[WolfHouse]

Those CBJ third jerseys are so nice

 

[jetsv2]

What the f*** just happened in the Columbus game. Goal review determined the play was onside when it was clearly offside. Columbus gets a penalty. Then during the intermission the refs realize it was offside so they remove the penalty even though half of it was already gone but the goal counts still?

 

[JetsFan815]

Oh man the CBJ just got screwed so bad. Carolina scores a goal, Torts challenges it for offside, the call stands, penalty called against CBJ. Carolina goes on the PP for like 40 seconds before the period ends. When we return to the 3rd period, apparently there's new angles of the offside call and it's determined that the play indeed was offside. The penalty against the CBJ is taken back but the goal still stands and the clock does not reset. Never seen anything like this. If they were gonna call back the penalty the clock should have reset to the goal time and the goal be taken back as well.

 

[cbcwpg]

01:15 left in the 2nd... Carolina scores.

Columbus challenges offside. The goal stands because is was deemed onside. Columbus are given a penalty for delay of game ( getting the challenge wrong ). 2nd period ends with no PP goal, but still 0:45 left for Carolina on the PP going into the 3rd.

The 3rd period is starting and now Carolina is no longer on the PP. Seems the NHL had a "better look" at the offside challenge and now it was offside. So no goal and the challenge PP is wiped out and the teams start the 3rd 5 on 5.

Refs apologize.

What the hell would they have done if Columbus has scored on the PP at the end of the 2nd? How can you find a better replay and not have it on the original review?

 

[cbcwpg]

Oh... And Columbus needs Laine's goals. They suck at defense.

 

[Evil Little]

What the f*** just happened in the Columbus game. Goal review determined the play was onside when it was clearly offside. Columbus gets a penalty. Then during the intermission the refs realize it was offside so they remove the penalty even though half of it was already gone but the goal counts still?

Yeah, that's pathetic on the part of the on-ice officials (and off-ice, I guess). Just leave the penalty on and eat the f*** up.

The offside challenge is the worst thing to happen to the NHL rules in the last ten years, anyway. I'll never forgive the dumbass who let Duchene score that goal for it. Or Duchene either, for that matter.

Laine looked completely clueless on that goal. Just skating in a circle in the D zone with no attempt to cover anyone.

 

[jetsv2]

Yeah, that's pathetic on the part of the on-ice officials (and off-ice, I guess). Just leave the penalty on and eat the f*** up.

The offside challenge is the worst thing to happen to the NHL rules in the last ten years, anyway. I'll never forgive the dumbass who let Duchene score that goal for it. Or Duchene either, for that matter.

Laine looked completely clueless on that goal. Just skating in a circle in the D zone with no attempt to cover anyone.

The league has a real problem here. By cancelling the penalty after play had resumed and the period had ended they have admitted the goal shouldn't have counted. If Columbus loses by 1 goal they have legitimate grounds to protest the results