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[Honour Over Glory]

How Ryan Reaves is keeping Stars 'off-balance' with intimidating play - Sportsnet.ca

Vegas' issue isn't Reaves doing his thing. It's that their stars can't score for shit. You can't boast a bunch of blokes that can score all season long and then the playoffs start and suddenly Patches, Stone, Tuch, Karlsson, Stastny, Marches Sault, and others can't even score.

Dallas is getting it's depth showing up. While Vegas' isn't.

But hurr durr that one 4th liner we also had on the Pens we gotta act like he's the difference maker and why they're losing!

Meanwhile we were shit with him and even worse after him and neither years had anything to do with him.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Hard to see Tampa losing the cup. They’re just obliterating defensive powerhouses. Not sure Dallas or Vegas has anything they haven’t seen so far. Maybe injuries catch up.

Braden Point is their MVP and why Stamkos should be traded to add depth and cap space.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Tampa without Point vs NYI - 0-1
Tampa with Point vs NYI - 3-0

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The media has been talking about him as if he's as impactful as a first line player, that's the point. Dude sucks, but he's got a likable personality and does goofy shit on the ice, so people love him.

He's a 4th liner playing 4th liner minutes that can disrupt on a forecheck. He is what he is.

Media also jerks off to Tom Wilson and his effectiveness. Let's whine about that too.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Sad is having to watch Dallas in the finals against Tampa. I want to see two gifted puck procession teams go at it. Hoping Vegas gets it done in 7. I won't watch Tampa destroy Dallas.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Point is so good.

Something I don't understand -- and maybe those with better knowledge of the technical aspects of skating can answer this -- is why more players don't put in the effort Point did to improve his skating? If skating is a knock on you, and you otherwise have NHL-caliber ability, why don't players work hard at it to make it a strength?

 

[Gurglesons]

Point is so good.

Something I don't understand -- and maybe those with better knowledge of the technical aspects of skating can answer this -- is why more players don't put in the effort Point did to improve his skating? If skating is a knock on you, and you otherwise have NHL-caliber ability, why don't players work hard at it to make it a strength?

The crazy part of Point is he is so good right now Kucherov is just defaulting to him.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

Sad is having to watch Dallas in the finals against Tampa. I want to see two gifted puck procession teams go at it. Hoping Vegas gets it done in 7. I won't watch Tampa destroy Dallas.

Avs/Lightning would have been a lot of fun. VGK/Lightning less so, but probably entertaining. Dallas/Lightning may drive me to football.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Sad is having to watch Dallas in the finals against Tampa. I want to see two gifted puck procession teams go at it. Hoping Vegas gets it done in 7. I won't watch Tampa destroy Dallas.

Tampa will absolutely murder Dallas the way Penguins did North Stars, but in 4 games instead of 6.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Avs/Lightning would have been a lot of fun. VGK/Lightning less so, but probably entertaining. Dallas/Lightning may drive me to football.

Dallas sucks ass, watching them is boring af outside of a few players that stand out and are fun to watch like Heiskanen and Gurianov. The rest of that team is just boring. VGK is actually more fun to watch when their stars were coached by GG.

Pete DeBoer is just a shit coach, he's coaching them the way the Sharks did when the Pens owned their ass too, just a flat out boring team to watch.

think the Isles’ sweet run will be ending soon...this is a must win game for them and Tampa is already leading

Tampa didn't have Point in 1 game and that game is where people thought they had a chance after a win. When Point is in that line-up, the Bolts are just gonna destroy.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It's crazy, these blokes are going to make the 31pts Sid and 36pts that Geno put up look like nothing, very soon if Tampa keeps brutalizing teams. Brayden Point is on pace to tie Geno's 36 or get 37pts in 24 games.

Geno's 36 in 24 in the playoffs hasn't been beat since 2009, correct? Obviously better numbers by other legends, but since 2009, I can't recall anyone breaking past 36.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

He's a 4th liner playing 4th liner minutes that can disrupt on a forecheck. He is what he is.

Media also jerks off to Tom Wilson and his effectiveness. Let's whine about that too.

Tom Wilson is a 20g, 40pt guy, and an effective player in his role. Reaves is not, and never was, any good at anything. The media just loves him because he's part of a dying breed of goon, and he does a lot of chirping.

They're nothing close to comparable. Tom Wilson is about 10x the player Reaves is.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Tom Wilson is a 20g, 40pt guy, and an effective player in his role. Reaves is not, and never was, any good at anything. The media just loves him because he's part of a dying breed of goon, and he does a lot of chirping.

They're nothing close to comparable. Tom Wilson is about 10x the player Reaves is.

You have the weirdest fascination for Ryan Reaves. I'll leave you to it.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

You have the weirdest fascination for Ryan Reaves. I'll leave you to it.

What? I causally brought up that it was funny to see the hockey world wake up and come to the realization that Reaves sucks, and you put your armor on and went to defend the guy like he's some unheralded bottom-6 gem. Reaves has been the most talked about 4th line nobody I can ever remember seeing since he joined Vegas. He does nothing, just like he always has, but he's some mini-celeb for the Golden Knights because he does goofy shit and chirps the opposition's bench all game.

Incidentally, it's funny to be called out for having a weird fascination with a guy when like 95% of your posts are about how Sully is some deranged egomaniac that's singlehandedly driven this team into the dirt.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

What? I causally brought up that it was funny to see the hockey world wake up and come to the realization that Reaves sucks, and you put your armor on and went to defend the guy like he's some unheralded bottom-6 gem. Reaves has been the most talked about 4th line nobody I can ever remember seeing since he joined Vegas. He does nothing, just like he always has, but he's some mini-celeb for the Golden Knights because he does goofy shit and chirps the opposition's bench all game.

Incidentally, it's funny to be called out for having a weird fascination with a guy when like 95% of your posts are about how Sully is some deranged egomaniac that's singlehandedly driven this team into the dirt.

Mate, Sullivan just literally had his entire bench fired as a warning shot for those things I have been calling him out for.

Meanwhile, Reaves has been a decent 4th liner on 2 out of 3 teams and no one cares about it anymore. No one is confusing him of anything else and a solid 4th line player can be a pain in the ass at times, Reaves can be, but he's also a loose cannon when he's not kept in check and I have a very low opinion of Pete DeBoer over GG, whom they ceremoniously fired for panicking too early.

 

[Gurglesons]

Mate, Sullivan just literally had his entire bench fired as a warning shot for those things I have been calling him out for.

Meanwhile, Reaves has been a decent 4th liner on 2 out of 3 teams and no one cares about it anymore. No one is confusing him of anything else and a solid 4th line player can be a pain in the ass at times, Reaves can be, but he's also a loose cannon when he's not kept in check and I have a very low opinion of Pete DeBoer over GG, whom they ceremoniously fired for panicking too early.

Reaves is not a loose cannon and is one of the cleanest players in the league.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Avs/Lightning would have been a lot of fun. VGK/Lightning less so, but probably entertaining. Dallas/Lightning may drive me to football.

I was hoping for the Avs... Then shifted onto Vegas. Was liking the Islanders until they met Tampa.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Mate, Sullivan just literally had his entire bench fired as a warning shot for those things I have been calling him out for.

Meanwhile, Reaves has been a decent 4th liner on 2 out of 3 teams and no one cares about it anymore. No one is confusing him of anything else and a solid 4th line player can be a pain in the ass at times, Reaves can be, but he's also a loose cannon when he's not kept in check and I have a very low opinion of Pete DeBoer over GG, whom they ceremoniously fired for panicking too early.

I mean, that's the original point I made. It was odd to see a nobody 4th line goon get so much press and have so many people talking about his impact when, in reality, he's never been anything more than a ~10pt, 10 minute a night guy. He does nothing to help this team, and I've always found it weird how much is made of a guy that's less effective than ZAR.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I mean, that's the original point I made. It was odd to see a nobody 4th line goon get so much press and have so many people talking about his impact when, in reality, he's never been anything more than a ~10pt, 10 minute a night guy. He does nothing to help this team, and I've always found it weird how much is made of a guy that's less effective than ZAR.

Well mate, has anyone else done jack shit on the VGK? Not really, a bunch of ghosts, whereas Reaves is just a 4th liner doing 4th liner things up to his best ability while wankers like Stone, Patches, Marchessault, Stastny, and others are doing absolutely nothing to further their playoff hopes. Or rather, the bare minimum, they look like the stunted offensive teams Pete coaches his teams into, under GG they were at least capable of scoring.

When your 4th liner is the only worth while story, that's a bad look. It's less an indictment on Reaves and more on VGK's stars disappearing when they need them the most.

We clearly see it differently.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Well mate, has anyone else done jack shit on the VGK? Not really, a bunch of ghosts, whereas Reaves is just a 4th liner doing 4th liner things up to his best ability while wankers like Stone, Patches, Marchessault, Stastny, and others are doing absolutely nothing to further their playoff hopes. Or rather, the bare minimum, they look like the stunted offensive teams Pete coaches his teams into, under GG they were at least capable of scoring.

When your 4th liner is the only worth while story, that's a bad look. It's less an indictment on Reaves and more on VGK's stars disappearing when they need them the most.

We clearly see it differently.

It's not just this year, Reaves has been the talk of the town since arriving in Vegas--Hell, since his days in St. Louis, but most especially since becoming a Golden Knight. It's weird. The dude's never been anything at all, genuinely has less of an impact on games than ZAR, but he gets all this airtime and press because he's part of a dying breed of player hockey culture just can't seem to let go of. That's what I find odd. The constant hyping up of some nobody because he hearkens back to some bygone era.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It's not just this year, Reaves has been the talk of the town since arriving in Vegas--Hell, since his days in St. Louis, but most especially since becoming a Golden Knight. It's weird. The dude's never been anything at all, genuinely has less of an impact on games than ZAR, but he gets all this airtime and press because he's part of a dying breed of player hockey culture just can't seem to let go of. That's what I find odd. The constant hyping up of some nobody because he hearkens back to some bygone era.

It could also be that like in STL, the media, fans, and team mates all love Reaves and it's why he's discussed so much. Pens players all liked him too.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It could also be that like in STL, the media, fans, and team mates all love Reaves and it's why he's discussed so much. Pens players all liked him too.

Sid signed a stick for Sestito's kid and claimed he felt a foot taller with him in the lineup. Doesn't mean he was any good, or worth talking about like he was some game changer. Reaves sucks and the way the media portrays him as some ace up the sleeve, secret weapon is more annoying than the constant Toews/intangibles crap.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Sid signed a stick for Sestito's kid and claimed he felt a foot taller with him in the lineup. Doesn't mean he was any good, or worth talking about like he was some game changer. Reaves sucks and the way the media portrays him as some ace up the sleeve, secret weapon is more annoying than the constant Toews/intangibles crap.

Mate, you're comparing a career AHL/Goon to a player like Reaves and I kind of now get why you have an issue with him. You're not capable of separating an Enforcer vs what Reaves is, which is more of a hybrid Enforcer/4th line grinder.

It's so inconsequential. I'm gonna leave you to it.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Mate, you're comparing a career AHL/Goon to a player like Reaves and I kind of now get why you have an issue with him. You're not capable of separating an Enforcer vs what Reaves is, which is more of a hybrid Enforcer/4th line grinder.

It's so inconsequential. I'm gonna leave you to it.

He's less of a 4th liner, impact-wise, than Zach Aston-Reese; A guy who is pretty universally thought of as an afterthought and non-entity when it comes to moving the needle for a team's chances at success. That's the reality. His notoriety and the reason he's employed is in being part of a bygone era of grunts, and some people just can't accept that they're useless and a waste of cap/roster space nowadays.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

I’m sure DeBoner is a big part of the problem, and I’m not looking up stats, but hasn’t Stone, Max, and to some extent Stastny had difficulty scoring in the playoffs during their careers? How much is Stone getting paid to pound on his chest and wear a mean mug? Karlsson had that huge first season but has been in decline mode ever since that. It seems like as soon as they face a team that can play good defense, it’s over.