Around the NHL XXXIX

[R2010]

I wanted Dobson, I'm still a huge fan. There is no coincidence why the Q won the mémorial cup 2 years in a row. He is a huge factor.
Our 1st pairing of the futur would have been set for at least a decade with him and Chabot.

Maybe at 4th overall, it was a big reach to select him. Tkachuk was kind of the easy choice at 4th and a good choice, also. I just loved Dobson way of playing the game. He would probably be our best defensive defenseman already. That with his offensive game, would complimented greatly Chabot.

A big reach?

Bob's final list
"6. Noah Dobson. The big 6-foot-3 defenceman from the Acadie–Bathurst Titan played so well and so long in leading his team to the Memorial Cup title. Dobson is a strong skater with a high degree of creativity, vision and offensive prowess. Scouts feel we’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg here. Worth noting: Four of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN have Dobson in their top five."

My biggest regret is we didn't offer Ceci + our (2nd) 1st in 2018 to move up to grab him. Edmonton was looking for a RD at the time...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

A big reach?

Bob's final list
"6. Noah Dobson. The big 6-foot-3 defenceman from the Acadie–Bathurst Titan played so well and so long in leading his team to the Memorial Cup title. Dobson is a strong skater with a high degree of creativity, vision and offensive prowess. Scouts feel we’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg here. Worth noting: Four of 10 scouts surveyed by TSN have Dobson in their top five."

My biggest regret is we didn't offer Ceci + our (2nd) 1st in 2018 to move up to grab him. Edmonton was looking for a RD at the time...

Dobson would have been a great pick at 4 as well. I slightly favoured Tkachuk because of his uniqueness, but I would have been very happy with Dobson. I'd gladly package Brannstrom and something else most would think is too much for Dobson

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[tardigrade81]

Until they resolve that issue it will be the same for them. One and done in the playoffs.

 

[BonkTastic]

They also traded Zaitzev, who, for al, of his warts, is at the very least an AVERAGE defender, in exchange for Ceci, who was never good defensively, and then got objectively worse under Boucher's insistence on turning him into a shutdown defender in a system that he could never fully adapt to.

 

[Slack]

Kakko with his first NHL goal. Nice feed by Strome and nice finish.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

They also traded Zaitzev, who, for al, of his warts, is at the very least an AVERAGE defender, in exchange for Ceci, who was never good defensively, and then got objectively worse under Boucher's insistence on turning him into a shutdown defender in a system that he could never fully adapt to.

Their not stuck with Zaitsev or Ceci after this season though.

 

[BonkTastic]

Their not stuck with Zaitsev or Ceci after this season though.

Sure, but the discussion was within the context of this season specifically, and how defensively, the Leafs got worse as a team instead of better.

 

[Xspyrit]

Mind boggling.... How come St-Louis didn't contest Montreal's 5th goal? Even Stephane Auger think it was GI...

It's like they want to lose lol. I mean it was 4-3 with less than 8 minutes left, so now 5-3 game over. Weird

But I almost want the Habs to make the playoffs. Don't want them to get a top-12 pick this year.

 

[JD1]

Their not stuck with Zaitsev or Ceci after this season though.

What they are stuck with is a cap he'll problem that is looming like it will prevent them from addressing the D situation

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Lucic must be the most washed up player in the league. I still can't believe Calgary let their biggest rival out of that contract.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Lucic must be the most washed up player in the league. I still can't believe Calgary let their biggest rival out of that contract.

Calgary fans seem to think it’s a fair trade. I think they’re in denial.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Their not stuck with Zaitsev or Ceci after this season though.

Imagine if we could spend money think about what our return would've been if we signed ceci and retained 2 mill and took Marleau from the leafs in the Zaitsev deal.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Looks like San Jose doesn't suck anymore.

It was a good run

 

[mysens]

Looks like San Jose doesn't suck anymore.

It was a good run

Amazing how the return of Marleau may have calmed the room and they could start winning again. Maybe a coincidence, I dunno

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

So was it made clear if the trade for Brannstrom and a second was only for a signed Stone?

 

[benjiv1]

So was it made clear if the trade for Brannstrom and a second was only for a signed Stone?

Allegedly so.

Ottawa asked for Glass, and Vegas said he was off the table.

Ottawa asks for Brannstrom, and Vegas insists on an extension.

Ottawa asks for a 1st + Brannstrom and Vegas counters with a 2nd but Stone must be signed.

Ottawa says they will circle back if no other offer beats it.

Pierre LeBrun writes:

According to sources familiar with how it all went down on Monday, the Golden Knights and Senators agreed to the trade parameters around 2:15 p.m. ET, or about 45 minutes prior to the deadline. Except the Knights weren’t going to sign off on the trade unless they had an agreement in principle on an extension with Stone… Around 2:20 p.m. ET, Vegas made an offer which was rejected by Newport but the agency made a counter-offer while both sides remained on the phone hashing it all out in real time.​

 

[Do Make Say Think]

There was talk that GMGM agreed to a trade and then decided that Stone had to be signed or else no deal, I believe that was reported by Lebrun.

He also made it sound like this was GMGM getting back at Dorion for jerking him around since the thought he got Karlsson but Dorion walked it back on two separate occasions.

Just like Gorton correctly identified how badly Dorion wanted Brassard/to save money, GMGM knew he had the best offer for Stone and he knew he could bleed Dorion dry. We aren't the only ones who know how Dorion has no maneuvering room. We like to crap on Dorion for bad deals but, in a trade, there is another party who can exercise their leverage and since Dorion is all alone (no administrative support, no money and a meddling owner) he is an easy prey.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Looks like San Jose doesn't suck anymore.

It was a good run

Did they actually play well?

I didn't watch, but they were outshot 33-20.

 

[Que]

I just had the most sickening thought...

What if this years nominees for the Hart trophy are as follows;

Mark Stone, Matt Duchene, Erik Karlsson

There’s a legitimate possibility all three have career years this season.

Like - collectively as fans, what did we do to deserve this? What did we all do as a group in a past life? This is torture.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Did they actually play well?

I didn't watch, but they were outshot 33-20.

I watched the whole game, Calgary definitely outplayed them. But there's just too many guys that can put the puck in the net on San Jose for them not to at least be a middle of the pack team.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I just had the most sickening thought...

What if this years nominees for the Hart trophy are as follows;

Mark Stone, Matt Duchene, Erik Karlsson

There’s a legitimate possibility all three have career years this season.

Like - collectively as fans, what did we do to deserve this? What did we all do as a group in a past life? This is torture.

I’m not seeing anything to suggest Karlsson or Duchene would have a career year this year. Karlsson especially. Why do you think that? Just curious.

 

[BonkTastic]

I’m not seeing anything to suggest... Duchene would have a career year this year.

I'm obviously not saying it's sustainable (and clearly I don't think it is), but Duchene is technically on pace for 147 points so far this season.

If we're judging solely on this season's body of work, dude looks real nice.

 

[TheDebater]

I am impressed with Brannstrom's defensive play. I guess we all assumed he was going to be some slick offensive defenseman in the mold of a Karlsson but I would argue that he is probably our second best defenseman in the defensive zone.

Edit: wrong thread, should be in the GDT.

 

[Super Cake]

Looks like Stone is on his way to another good season.

4 goals, 5 assists and 9 points in 6 games