NHL Around The NHL VIII

[Budddy]

I guess you are suggesting that a team that finishes 1% higher points in the regular season is the tougher team... but then why do so many first round upsets occur? in any given year you would expect at least 3 out of 8 upsets.

the final place in the standings might be determined by results in October or November. its far far far more important how a team finishes a season then starts a season.

I know you are concerned that Toronto might end up with more points then islanders... but trust me, the islanders have been the far better team the last 40 games or so. Toronto got off to a great start but their team defense has not improved and Anderson is being worn down with too many starts. I wouldn't be surprised to see them roll over at playoff time. not only that, but they are psyched by us. they will shoot themselves in the foot

they score a lot... but we have the team that can shut them down.

as for whether 1 point determins who makes the playoffs or not... the league wanted that. the league feels that teams that are not in the race cant sell tickets or get tv ratings. the league wanted to create an environment where the regular season is meaningless. teams 8-20 will probably have less than 8 points between them. less than a 10% variation

ultimately, it is what it is... the league wants parity because they run a business
the teams will play geographical rivals because the league wants business

when I was a kid every team played every team 4 times... 2 home/2 away and the playoffs were seeded 1-16 but trust me there was complaints about that. fans saying I don't want to see this garbage team... why cant we play our rival more often?

fans always complain

it pretty simple to me...the more points a team has the higher the seeding...1% more 0r 3% more or 20% more;doesn't matter. All teams will have the peaks and valleys throughout the year, but its irrelevant as you get the best record you can over 82 games and be rewarded for it. You might have bad luck and play a team a white hot team. That's the luck of the draw, but having that situation when a team is also not being rewarded with higher warranted seeding is dumb.

Just like making, or losing, the playoffs by a point is meaningful; same should be for seeding;no different.

And I remember those days too and I can guarantee I never wished Bruins played Habs over a lower seeded team!

Anyway, agree to disagree and that is ok; don't want to hijack the thread

great win tonight...

 

[Lobster57]

wait.

what?

 

[Fenway]

wait.

what?

 

[Bruinaura]

 

[22Brad Park]

I actually feel bad for the remnants of that team. Not to mention the fans

They have a ton of great picks the next few drafts.They will fix it fast wait and seen.Chabot and Branstrom.Batherson Tkachuk .

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

They have a ton of great picks the next few drafts.They will fix it fast wait and seen.Chabot and Branstrom.Batherson Tkachuk .

not having that pick that went to Colorado is so brutal though.

 

[Fenway]

They have a ton of great picks the next few drafts.They will fix it fast wait and seen.Chabot and Branstrom.Batherson Tkachuk .

not having that pick that went to Colorado is so brutal though.

If the new arena deal falls through which could happen THIS WEEK, I can't see how the franchise survives. Just think how good the Sens were 2 years ago where they were a bounce away from the SCF.

and if Colorado wins the lottery

 

[Pia8988]

If the new arena deal falls through which could happen THIS WEEK, I can't see how the franchise survives. Just think how good the Sens were 2 years ago where they were a bounce away from the SCF.

and if Colorado wins the lottery

Even without winning the lottery, Sens are dead last. The pick is #4 at worst right now and I don't see Ottawa winning many games

 

[Fenway]

Even without winning the lottery, Sens are dead last. The pick is #4 at worst right now and I don't see Ottawa winning many games

It has always been a fragile market

It doesn't have a lot of corporate support as Ottawa is a government city (Washington used to have that problem but in the past 30 years, Northern Virginia has exploded) and it has a limited TV region as it is between Montreal to the east and Toronto to the west. Yes, every Sens game can be seen in Atlantic Canada but have they developed any following there?

The arena is in Kanata which would be like TD Garden being in Woburn. The parking lot there is a horror show not unlike Foxborough after a Pats game and transit is limited - IF they were downtown they could then draw from the French suburbs on the other side of the Ottawa River.

Eugene Melnyk reminds me of Victor Kiam and if the downtown arena in Ottawa can't be done he has to be looking at Quebec City.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

If the new arena deal falls through which could happen THIS WEEK, I can't see how the franchise survives. Just think how good the Sens were 2 years ago where they were a bounce away from the SCF.

and if Colorado wins the lottery

the Molson's must be rooting for the sens get a new arena so they do not have to share Quebec

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

It has always been a fragile market

It doesn't have a lot of corporate support as Ottawa is a government city (Washington used to have that problem but in the past 30 years, Northern Virginia has exploded) and it has a limited TV region as it is between Montreal to the east and Toronto to the west. Yes, every Sens game can be seen in Atlantic Canada but have they developed any following there?

The arena is in Kanata which would be like TD Garden being in Woburn. The parking lot there is a horror show not unlike Foxborough after a Pats game and transit is limited - IF they were downtown they could then draw from the French suburbs on the other side of the Ottawa River.

Eugene Melnyk reminds me of Victor Kiam and if the downtown arena in Ottawa can't be done he has to be looking at Quebec City.

WOULD Belleville be in jeopardy if that does happen?

 

[Centrum Hockey]

WOULD Belleville be in jeopardy if that does happen?

Quebec city is not that far from portland

 

[Fenway]

WOULD Belleville be in jeopardy if that does happen?

Yes and with good reason as they are DEAD LAST in AHL attendance today

AHL 2018-19 team attendance at hockeydb.com

The rumors are flying that the ECHL team in Manchester will fold after this season and the AHL wants to get back into that market.

Let's be honest about this - the dropoff between the AHL and ECHL is enormous. No player jumps from the ECHL to the NHL, at best they might get promoted to the AHL to fill out the roster.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Yes and with good reason as they are DEAD LAST in AHL attendance today

AHL 2018-19 team attendance at hockeydb.com

The rumors are flying that the ECHL team in Manchester will fold after this season and the AHL wants to get back into that market.

Let's be honest about this - the dropoff between the AHL and ECHL is enormous. No player jumps from the ECHL to the NHL, at best they might get promoted to the AHL to fill out the roster.

Fans think the ahl messed up by not replacing the AHL monarchs with another ahl team

 

[Fenway]

the ahl screwed up by not replacing the kings affiliation in Manchester with a east cost one right after the kings left Worcester Portland Providence each had two shots in the league and Manchester was only given one

Let's clean this up

The Kings flipped their ECHL team in CA with AHL Manchester and for the parent organization, it made sense.

San Jose then moved Worcester to San Jose but had nothing to offer Worcester but they were upfront about it.

Portland got screwed over when the Springfield Falcons moved to Tuscon, Arizona and Dave Andrews needed a team in Springfield. The AHL Pirates were vulnerable because of lease problems in Portland and blindsided by the marketing of the NBA development team Red Claws.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Let's clean this up

The Kings flipped their ECHL team in CA with AHL Manchester and for the parent organization, it made sense.

San Jose then moved Worcester to San Jose but had nothing to offer Worcester but they were upfront about it.

Portland got screwed over when the Springfield Falcons moved to Tuscon, Arizona and Dave Andrews needed a team in Springfield. The AHL Pirates were vulnerable because of lease problems in Portland and blindsided by the marketing of the NBA development team Red Claws.

Why is the ahl changing its tune on Manchester Dave Andrews called it a echl market in a interview a few years ago.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Yes and with good reason as they are DEAD LAST in AHL attendance today

AHL 2018-19 team attendance at hockeydb.com

The rumors are flying that the ECHL team in Manchester will fold after this season and the AHL wants to get back into that market.

Let's be honest about this - the dropoff between the AHL and ECHL is enormous. No player jumps from the ECHL to the NHL, at best they might get promoted to the AHL to fill out the roster.

unfortunately, Manchester as a market might be done..... I don't see Manchester returning to the AHL if there's no competition which is why they're in the position they've been in waiting for Worcester and Portland to balance them out....

Portland seems to be taking to the ECHL, but I'M not completely sold on that yet, based off what's transpired here before.... if the Rangers weren't the parent club could the franchise survive as an independent for multiple years?

 

[Fenway]

Why is the ahl changing its tune on Manchester Dave Andrews called it a echl market in a interview a few years ago.

Who knows

Manchester attendance did drop off but was still far healthier than most AHL teams

Compare Springfield in the same timeframe

Springfield Falcons yearly attendance at hockeydb.com

Downtown Manchester today is to be kind....funky

The AHL doubled downed on Springfield because Andrews lives there and the new MGM Casino which has changed the city.

Portland and Worcester were tossed aside.

I don't have the answer.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Who knows

Manchester attendance did drop off but was still far healthier than most AHL teams

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Compare Springfield in the same timeframe

Springfield Falcons yearly attendance at hockeydb.com

Downtown Manchester today is to be kind....funky

The AHL doubled downed on Springfield because Andrews lives there and the new MGM Casino which has changed the city.

Portland and Worcester were tossed aside.

I don't have the answer.

nobody knows why but would Boston ever consider buying Providence out, as some point considering the trend that's been happening more and more as you see in the G-League as well instead of the hybrid that Maine has with Boston....

Springfield has been getting breaks whether it's the Falcons, Thunderbirds or even the Commonwealth paying for the renovation to Mass Mutual Center, because Springfield was insolvent and had declared municipal bankruptcy....

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Who knows

Manchester attendance did drop off but was still far healthier than most AHL teams

View attachment 192887

Compare Springfield in the same timeframe

Springfield Falcons yearly attendance at hockeydb.com

Downtown Manchester today is to be kind....funky

The AHL doubled downed on Springfield because Andrews lives there and the new MGM Casino which has changed the city.

Portland and Worcester were tossed aside.

I don't have the answer.

Springfield Thunderbirds promote Nathan Costa to team president
Andrews put people from the league office in change of the Springfield Thunderbirds and attendance has improved
Springfield Thunderbirds yearly attendance at hockeydb.com

 

[C77]

I have to agree. The behavior of Melnyk and now this second wave of players departing have really damaged that franchise. They had attendance issues even with a good roster. Who is going to go to the games now? The arena situation is a mess. Teams on the verge of ownership change/relocation usually go young and cheap like the Senators have done. Only issue for them is that there is a cap floor these days. Apparently the Sens were looking to attach Bobby Ryan to any Karlsson deal in the past. Now they need Ryan to stick around to reach the floor and will probably look to take on a player in situation like Backes'. I can't imagine a lot of UFA's are going to be lining up to sign there. Ryan is their only forward with a cap number over $4 million.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

nobody knows why but would Boston ever consider buying Providence out, as some point considering the trend that's been happening more and more as you see in the G-League as well instead of the hybrid that Maine has with Boston....

Springfield has been getting breaks whether it's the Falcons, Thunderbirds or even the Commonwealth paying for the renovation to Mass Mutual Center, because Springfield was insolvent and had declared municipal bankruptcy....

Why Would Jeremy Jacobs even want to own a minor league team at this point in his life.He already has the concessions at the dunk maybe charlie would want to own the P-Bruins.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Would papa jacobs even want to own a minor league team at this point in his life he already has the consseions

that's the trend that's been happening, and here you've got a unique opportunity in Manchester that's ready for a change because if Manchester collapses it isn't likely to return based off the hardships that Worcester and Portland went through, Centrum, even rebounding after the loss of both tenants, in those previous cases, yes it may have been a year, but not to those ancillary businesses around the DCU and Cross.... if there were no primary tenant in the arena as was the case with Cross until this past year those businesses paid the price, because there was no reason for hockey fans to visit them even if they ventured into the city at all.

 

[Fenway]

Why Would Jeremy Jacobs even want to own a minor league team at this point in his life.He already has the concessions at the dunk maybe charlie would want to own the P-Bruins.

The Bruins owned an AHL franchise and turned it back in after Jacobs bought the Bruins.

Jacobs did broker the Maine Mariners moving to Providence but it all centered on Delaware North getting the concessions at the then Providence Civic Center. A decade ago when the State of RI who now owns the arena put concessions out to bid, Jacobs simply told them that if he lost the concessions the Providence team would lose the Bruins affiliation.

It's all about the hot dogs and beer.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

The Bruins owned an AHL franchise and turned it back in after Jacobs bought the Bruins.

Jacobs did broker the Maine Mariners moving to Providence but it all centered on Delaware North getting the concessions at the then Providence Civic Center. A decade ago when the State of RI who now owns the arena put concessions out to bid, Jacobs simply told them that if he lost the concessions the Providence team would lose the Bruins affiliation.

It's all about the hot dogs and beer.

was that the Boston Braves franchise that they had owned because the AHL did grant Boston an expansion franchise in 1988....