NHL Around the NHL IX - Islanders En Fuego

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Man I am sick of all the drooling over the Blues. Can guarantee if the Bs won they wouldnt be getting all the press and drooling. Not because its some conspiracy but sports media is sick of Boston teams
 

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That’s pretty funny.

A) Johnny T is a brave warrior who doesn’t back down or even flinch from any danger, no matter how dire the situation.

B) Johnny T is totally zoned out and literally has no idea where he is or even that there is hockey game going on.

I pick B......:laugh:
 
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Drinking early, arn't we?

Nah, add Smith and subtract Backes/Kuhlman we win last year... stupid trade then and looks even worse with the Backes albatross still sitting there....Instead of the rw du jour we could have had a long time contributor there. We have been hoping one of the kids would seize that spot for what, five years now? We already had the solution in house.
 
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Nah... stupid trade then and looks even worse with the Backes albatross still sitting there....Instead of the rw du jour we could have had a long time contributor there. We have been hoping one of the kids would seize that spot for what, five years now? We already had the solution in house.

Smith was not a solution. He was a mildly scoring winger that was not tough along the boards. Did not fit the Bruins mold and lost favor.

IMO, he was not the solution. He had one good year in FLorida and then tanked, went to Vegas for a song. He has taken his last chance and really run with it there, good for him.

I'm fine with what happened. I dont think Smith would be our answer at 2RW.
 

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Smith was not a solution. He was a mildly scoring winger that was not tough along the boards. Did not fit the Bruins mold and lost favor.

IMO, he was not the solution. He had one good year in FLorida and then tanked, went to Vegas for a song. He has taken his last chance and really run with it there, good for him.

I'm fine with what happened. I dont think Smith would be our answer at 2RW.

So the Bruins mold is not high hockey IQ, first PK and PP unit player that can play top line RW for a Stanley Cup appearing team? Interesting.

He's basically a more productive and more expensive Heinen.

Also, not his fault Tallon is an idiot and Florida was cutting payroll...Seems to have landed pretty nicely. Also how exactly was it his last chance? He was dealt by an organization obsessed with size at the time, and then by an inept franchise that decided to cut payroll and protect Alex Petrovic over Smith and Marchessault.
 
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So the Bruins mold is not high hockey IQ, first PK and PP unit player that can play top line RW for a Stanley Cup appearing team? Interesting.

He's basically a more productive and more expensive Heinen.

Also, not his fault Tallon is an idiot and Florida was cutting payroll...Seems to have landed pretty nicely. Also how exactly was it his last chance? He was dealt by an organization obsessed with size at the time, and then by an inept franchise that decided to cut payroll and protect Alex Petrovic over Smith and Marchessault.

At no time did Riley show us any of those things while he was here. Did not show that to Florida as well.

This is like Wheeler, we lament not having him now because of how he turned out in Winnipeg, but there is no guarentee he would have ever become that same player if Boston had kept him.

Smith was not doing well in Florida, he literally gave Smith away to get rid of his contract, same as the Bruins. At the time those were both good decisions.
Good on Riley for taking his last chance with Vegas(if he had bombed there he would be out fo the NHL) and running with it, proving everyone wrong.

The size bias in the NHL is a legit thing, wont argue that. But Smith is situational and gets shut down when he cant speed around larger players.
Saying Riley Smith is the solution to our problems and we let him go foolishly is way overstated, IMO.
 

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At no time did Riley show us any of those things while he was here. Did not show that to Florida as well.

This is like Wheeler, we lament not having him now because of how he turned out in Winnipeg, but there is no guarentee he would have ever become that same player if Boston had kept him.

Smith was not doing well in Florida, he literally gave Smith away to get rid of his contract, same as the Bruins. At the time those were both good decisions.
Good on Riley for taking his last chance with Vegas(if he had bombed there he would be out fo the NHL) and running with it, proving everyone wrong.

The size bias in the NHL is a legit thing, wont argue that. But Smith is situational and gets shut down when he cant speed around larger players.
Saying Riley Smith is the solution to our problems and we let him go foolishly is way overstated, IMO.

He never showed Boston? Did you miss his first year here? Also Smith was 25-25-50 the year we dealt him. He had a crappy year 2 as did the whole team when they axed Gallant.

Smith by the way was 2nd in play-off goals scored for us in 2014, He has plenty of speed to get around larger players. He's 14-27-41 in 47 play-off games, so he plays well then as well. In his four years in Boston and Florida he also had 300 hits...not exactly the softie he's painted out to be around here.

Bottom line is Boston gave up on him for whatever reason (probably skipped a team movie and was deemed ingrate by the leadership) after a substandard year 2 (the whole team sucked by the way) and shit the bed on the deal and have looked for a another top six RW since the moment they traded him.
 
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He never showed Boston? Did you miss his first year here? Also Smith was 25-25-50 the year we dealt him. He had a crappy year 2 as did the whole team when they axed Gallant.

Smith by the way was 2nd in play-off goals scored for us in 2014, He has plenty of speed to get around larger players. He's 14-27-41 in 47 play-off games, so he plays well then as well. In his four years in Boston and Florida he also had 300 hits...not exactly the softie he's painted out to be around here.

Bottom line is Boston gave up on him for whatever reason (probably skipped a team movie and was deemed ingrate by the leadership) after a substandard year 2 (the whole team sucked by the way) and **** the bed on the deal and have looked for a another top six RW since the moment they traded him.

Smith was moved becausehe performed for one year and still had holes in his game which were victimized by other teams. He was not improving so they moved him in a contract dump to FL for Jimmy Hayes. Are you trying to argue Boston management had no reasons to do that when it was obvious they were trying to dump him?

You have an exe to grind here because you are assuming Boston dumped him for non-legit reasons why still stating you ahve no clue as to why they dumped him.
The fact of the matter is they dumped him, Hockey management does not dump good players and keep their jobs.

I WILL agree with you on your last statement, we would have been better served keeping him as we have had a RW hole since. But that ignores his contract which could and probably would have caused all sorts of issues in the past several years.

Hind sight is 20/20. Again, no guarenteehe ever becomes the player he currently is in Vegas if we kept him, Wheeler included.
 

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Nah, add Smith and subtract Backes/Kuhlman we win last year... stupid trade then and looks even worse with the Backes albatross still sitting there....Instead of the rw du jour we could have had a long time contributor there. We have been hoping one of the kids would seize that spot for what, five years now? We already had the solution in house.

Such a fantasy league take.
 

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Man I am sick of all the drooling over the Blues. Can guarantee if the Bs won they wouldnt be getting all the press and drooling. Not because its some conspiracy but sports media is sick of Boston teams


If bruins won that last game the entire nhl community would be saying how the blues were too big and slow and needed to add speed and talent. However since the blues won everyone wants to model their team after what that team had and say”this is what we are lacking”

Happens every year
 
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Dennis Bonvie

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How so? Do you not think if you added Smith or any other top 2 RW in basically the NHL we would not have won that series?

If you were suggesting the Bruins would have Smith last year, that would mean they never would have traded him. Meaning everything could have been different. Meaning you cannot assume anything, let alone that the Bruins would have been in the finals against the Blues.
 

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Smith was moved becausehe performed for one year and still had holes in his game which were victimized by other teams. He was not improving so they moved him in a contract dump to FL for Jimmy Hayes. Are you trying to argue Boston management had no reasons to do that when it was obvious they were trying to dump him?

You have an exe to grind here because you are assuming Boston dumped him for non-legit reasons why still stating you ahve no clue as to why they dumped him.
The fact of the matter is they dumped him, Hockey management does not dump good players and keep their jobs.

I WILL agree with you on your last statement, we would have been better served keeping him as we have had a RW hole since. But that ignores his contract which could and probably would have caused all sorts of issues in the past several years.

Hind sight is 20/20. Again, no guarenteehe ever becomes the player he currently is in Vegas if we kept him, Wheeler included.

Boston idiotically gave up on him after a down year and felt bringing in a Beleskey and Hayes were more conducive to winning, which is hilarious. He was set to make 3.5 per over the next two years, which was a song.

As for legit reasons? Dunno, doesn't seem to be affecting him or his teammates now...I mean it's not like Boston dumped any other players that have had no issues elsewhere *snicker*

as for his contract, who knows, maybe they don't bring Backes in to fill the huge void created on rw2 that Hayes and co failed miserably to fill.

As for not becoming that Vegas player he already was that player in year one here, 20 g 50+ points...in his first full time season...I bet he would have been even better in this top 6 but guess we will never know...
 
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If you were suggesting the Bruins would have Smith last year, that would mean they never would have traded him. Meaning everything could have been different. Meaning you cannot assume anything, let alone that the Bruins would have been in the finals against the Blues.

Breaking it down simply tho, isn't that far fetched. Smith stays, hayes is never here, no black hole on the right side, Backes is not signed. You are correct as far as maybe even then they don't sign him to an extension, so I get it.
 
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