Around the NHL - Episode XLVI

[Micklebot]

He played it perfectly. You’re not going to trade for superstars while you’re in last place and Connor mcdavid is in the sights.

Isn't this what people have been telling you? He tanked till he got Eichel and then tried to improve?

 

[Icelevel]

Isn't this what people have been telling you? He tanked till he got Eichel and then tried to improve?

He didn’t “tank” he followed the plan. The team he inherited was TERRIBLE and he improved it a ton from the beginning. Look at the goals for against difference and report back.

 

[BondraTime]

He didn’t “tank” he followed the plan. The team he inherited was TERRIBLE and he improved it a ton from the beginning. Look at the goals for against difference and report back.

2014-15's (-113) is their worst goal differential in the Sabres 50 year history by a significant margin, because they were actively tanking.

Of course they improve after that, they're no longer actively tanking

 

[Micklebot]

He didn’t “tank” he followed the plan. The team he inherited was TERRIBLE and he improved it a ton from the beginning. Look at the goals for against difference and report back.

The plan was to tank... Thats the point,

2013-14: -93 goal diff
2014-15 (tank year): -116 goal diff

Draft Eichel

2015-16: -16 goal diff

You were saying?

 

[Icelevel]

The plan was to tank... Thats the point,

2013-14: -93 goal diff
2014-15 (tank year): -116 goal diff

Draft Eichel

2015-16: -16 goal diff

You were saying?

I’m saying they were tanking and all trades were downgrades.

Edit:

 

[Micklebot]

He didn’t “tank” he followed the plan. The team he inherited was TERRIBLE and he improved it a ton from the beginning. Look at the goals for against difference and report back.

I’m saying they were tanking and all trades were downgrades.

???

 

[Icelevel]

???

I left out the sarcasm.

I’m saying the use of the word “tank” is a little extreme.
Did he try to win the Stanley cup in year 1 or 2?
He’s pretty smart so probably realized that wasn’t realistic so came up with another plan.
To gradually improve, draft well, develop and by year 5 compete in the playoffs.

What did he do different from any other last place team gm with no hope of playoffs?
We’ve established that the majority of his trades were improvements from the start.

 

[Icelevel]

The plan was to tank... Thats the point,

2013-14: -93 goal diff
2014-15 (tank year): -116 goal diff

Draft Eichel

2015-16: -16 goal diff

You were saying?

Ha. I might have mixed up the years there so bad point by me and potential fatal blow (it just shows that the team improved a ton under him but yes that was the following year).

But no really. If you’re going to accuse the gm of tanking then you have to be able to point to specific moves that support the argument.
Originally here it was that he dressed terrible goaltenders. I listed the goaltenders he brought in all well above .900 on terrible buffalo teams. So that’s bs.
Linked to his transaction history all good to very good.

What else did he do specifically that shows he was “tanking”?

 

[dumbdick]

Which goaltender are you referring to?

Tim Murray dealing Enroth for Lindberg to help the tank. Lindberg was garbage at the time of the trade, but he actually did okay statistically down the stretch for Buffalo. Pretty clear tank move.

 

[Micklebot]

Ha. I might have mixed up the years there so bad point by me and potential fatal blow (it just shows that the team improved a ton under him but yes that was the following year).

But no really. If you’re going to accuse the gm of tanking then you have to be able to point to specific moves that support the argument.
Originally here it was that he dressed terrible goaltenders. I listed the goaltenders he brought in all well above .900 on terrible buffalo teams. So that’s bs.
Linked to his transaction history all good to very good.

What else did he do specifically that shows he was “tanking”?

Take a look at the Matt Hackett quote @BondraTime posted.

He also let their #1 D Ehrhoff walk leading into the year with no replacement unless i guess you count Gorges, trading their starter in Enroth for Lindback certainly didn't look like a positive at the time, which is evident when Dallas gave up the pick in the transaction.

He didn't need to do much to tank, inaction probably was enough,

 

[Icelevel]

Tim Murray dealing Enroth for Lindberg to help the tank. Lindberg was garbage at the time of the trade, but he actually did okay statistically down the stretch for Buffalo. Pretty clear tank move.

Take a look at the Matt Hackett quote @BondraTime posted.

He also let their #1 D Ehrhoff walk leading into the year with no replacement unless i guess you count Gorges, trading their starter in Enroth for Lindback certainly didn't look like a positive at the time, which is evident when Dallas gave up the pick in the transaction.

He didn't need to do much to tank, inaction probably was enough,

enroth played 35 more games after he was traded and was out of the league. He wasn’t good. Lindback was better you admit. Bad argument.

Erhoff played 97 more games then out of the league. Really bad argument.

So now not doing enough in someone’s opinion is “tanking”?

What are matt hacket’s (never played in the nhl after that year) examples of tanking transactions?

That’s great that you guys are realizing now that he wasn’t actively “tanking”, it’s just something people like to say and the team just sucked and he was there to improve it. And he did. The next year the goal differential was improved by 100!!!
That last part is the argument against him being a bad manager.

Thank god we don’t have to discuss Tim Murray anymore

 

[Beville]

Doesn't say, being framed as staff, and seems that way listening to the segment.



Maybe he was talking about a player talking to him before he left camp, doesn't seem like something another non NHLer prospect would say though. Only guys that were at the camp were undrafted invites and guys that hadn't made the NHL yet. Biggest name was probably Cowen.

Whilst I totally get this...

I seem to remember there being a lot of criticism of Stone when drafted albeit this being linked to his skating and how he’d never make the NHL without a serious improvement.

He obviously did the playoffs whenever it was and made everyone eat crow.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Awesome place to watch a game
BMac looking quite a bit younger and heavier

 

[cudi]

Long term goalie contracts never age badly. I see no risk here.

 

[Senscore]

6x6.


Do you think he's more or less valuable than Murray?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

6x6.


Do you think he's more or less valuable than Murray?

I think Murray's perceived value has taken a pretty big hit this year, if not last year

 

[Boud]

Long term goalie contracts never age badly. I see no risk here.

I mean 6 Years at 6M really isn't bad for a legit starter.

 

[cudi]

I mean 6 Years at 6M really isn't bad for a legit starter.

Im just against long contracts for goalies. They're voodoo.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Hellbuyck having a game vs the Leafs so far 2-1 Jets late in the 2nd

 

[Icelevel]

Hellbuyck having a game vs the Leafs so far 2-1 Jets late in the 2nd

Jets do well against the makebeliefs eh? Nice to see.

 

[JungleBeat]

Leafs look legit....

 

[DrEasy]

Leafs look legit....

I've made peace with it. Let them win it all this year. At least it will likely happen with no fans at the rink.

 

[JMACole]

Nice win for the Red Wings against the Lightning tonight. Must be sweet for Detroit fans.

 

[SensontheRush]

I've made peace with it. Let them win it all this year. At least it will likely happen with no fans at the rink.

Nah, Sens will finally bring it back to Canada.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Leafs look legit....

Honestly, they did a good job improving their forward depth and defense in the offseason. Better coaching helps too.