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Potential hot take:

The Blues toughest competition in the Central Division next year is Colorado.
Dallas. I think we saw that in the 2nd round. Colorado has got to find real forward depth before I'd elevate them, but I think they're trending that way and will be up there in a couple years.

I don't think that's a hot take. That's just a thing. Though Nashville and Dallas could be interesting too.

I honestly wonder if there are some major locker room problems in Winnipeg.
The folks on the Winnipeg board seem to think so.

Yes but the 20th pick belonged to Winnipeg like 4 months ago.

The Rangers got Jacob Trouba for Pionk and like 6 weeks of Kevin Hayes when they never were going to keep Hayes.
The Rangers also got Brendan Lemieux in that Hayes trade.
 

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Potential hot take:

The Blues toughest competition in the Central Division next year is Colorado.

Colorado often looked lost against San Jose. There was so much open ice in that series because Colorado doesn't know how to defend and, as we saw, San Jose just wants to play offense and looks sad and tired whenever they have to do anything else.

Colorado has some great players who will rack up a bunch of points, and they might be competition for regular season standings, but when the playoffs roll around - I'll believe it when I see it. I think Dallas has better ingredients to 1. go deep in the playoffs in general, and 2. specifically beat the Blues.
 
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That EK contract given where SJ is spending it's remaining money is interesting.

It may turn out to be brilliant...it may turn out to be an anchor.
 

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Colorado often looked lost against San Jose. There was so much open ice in that series because Colorado doesn't know how to defend and, as we saw, San Jose just wants to play offense and looks sad and tired whenever they have to do anything else.

Colorado has some great players who will rack up a bunch of points, and they might be competition for regular season standings, but when the playoffs roll around - I'll believe it when I see it. I think Dallas has better ingredients to 1. go deep in the playoffs in general, and 2. specifically beat the Blues.

Stars are the up and coming team IMO.

Solid D
Excellent G
Excellent top O line
Decent depth elsewhere
 

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Stars are the up and coming team IMO.

Solid D
Excellent G
Excellent top O line
Decent depth elsewhere
They were super tough out in playoffs and seem like up and coming team. Montgomery also seems like much better coach than Bednar or Maurice. Stars still have holes (need more offensive depth and at least 1 if not 2 decent defensemen) but they are on right path I think.
 

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You can’t win a Cup with one line, even if it’s a really good line. Goaltending, defense, and an appropriate system can cover up some warts, but if you aren’t able to exploit matchups up and down the lineup, the wheels fall off eventually. Boston and St. Louis were the two deepest teams this year, and we’ll both continue to get deeper as time goes as well, as long as we play it smart (and I think we both will).

I don’t love the drafting that any of the central teams have done lately, with the exception of maybe Chicago, who has pick #3 to spend on Friday. Let’s hope that turns into another Cam Barker for them. Nashville is probably going to trade Subban, Dallas’ FO pretty brutally called out their top line just a few months ago, and Winnipeg is at the end of their grace period for their cap situation and the chickens are coming home to roost. Minnesota is a dumpster fire. Colorado has a lot to like, but again I don’t like/trust their depth, and I think they’re kind of a paper tiger outside of their top line, especially if they lose Varlamov as is expected. Arizona will be a bit of a wildcard when they come into the Division, and with new ownership I could see them making Carolina-level noise in the playoffs before long if things go right (big if there).

I like our odds as much as anyone else in the Central. But we’re going to have a target on our back all season long next year, it isn’t going to be a cakewalk. With the right moves, we can stay competitive, bring some fresh legs to carry us through the front end of the season, and make another run.
 

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Stars are a solid team, but they've put their eggs in a glass baskets with Bishop's injury history, maybe it holds, maybe it doesn't.

Colorado has a lot of firepower to be a scary team in the regular season, I can definitely see them having a shot at the division title, especially if Makar hits the ground running. But Carl Soderberg as their 2C isn't going to get them far in the playoffs.

Nashville is in an odd spot as they have a roster that went to the final, but seems to have regressed. They're the biggest mystery in the Central as they could find their stride again or just continue on a downswing with Rinne getting old and their vaunted D showing some weak spots.

I'd expect Winnipeg to be similar to last year, but having Laine and Connor coming off their ELCs, combined with a hole at 2C, and question marks on their bottom 4 D with Myers being UFA, they're probably going to have a similar outcome as last season.

Chicago and Minnesota won't really be contesting for a playoff spot.
 

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I feel like the Jets could have gotten a similar deal at the deadline. I would have played out the season and if it looked like they weren't contenders then pull the trigger. But the Jets have enough talent that they really are contenders and should be in a "win now" mode. I think if I am the Jets GM and that's all I can get for Trouba then I keep him and go for the Cup this upcoming season.
 
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You can’t win a Cup with one line, even if it’s a really good line. Goaltending, defense, and an appropriate system can cover up some warts, but if you aren’t able to exploit matchups up and down the lineup, the wheels fall off eventually. Boston and St. Louis were the two deepest teams this year, and we’ll both continue to get deeper as time goes as well, as long as we play it smart (and I think we both will).

I don’t love the drafting that any of the central teams have done lately, with the exception of maybe Chicago, who has pick #3 to spend on Friday. Let’s hope that turns into another Cam Barker for them. Nashville is probably going to trade Subban, Dallas’ FO pretty brutally called out their top line just a few months ago, and Winnipeg is at the end of their grace period for their cap situation and the chickens are coming home to roost. Minnesota is a dumpster fire. Colorado has a lot to like, but again I don’t like/trust their depth, and I think they’re kind of a paper tiger outside of their top line, especially if they lose Varlamov as is expected. Arizona will be a bit of a wildcard when they come into the Division, and with new ownership I could see them making Carolina-level noise in the playoffs before long if things go right (big if there).

I like our odds as much as anyone else in the Central. But we’re going to have a target on our back all season long next year, it isn’t going to be a cakewalk. With the right moves, we can stay competitive, bring some fresh legs to carry us through the front end of the season, and make another run.
Oh please yes! Subban to Toronto! Please!!! It is just too perfect not to happen! Both teams get worse!!! (Diabolical laugh!)
 
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Anybody else think Pionk is the most unlikely Jet? PP specialist PMD that isn't that physical. Just kind of surprises me.
 

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Dallas and Colorado are a 2C away from being really, really scary. That being said, Bishop's injury history and Grubauer's lack of long-term excellence gives me a little pause.

Winnipeg is also missing a 2c, but their winger depth is absurd. I'm as baffled as you guys are by the Pionk thing, though. Trouba is better on every level and their window is open.

Nashville's TDL deals last year shows they're flailing. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Turris and Subban this offseason, but I expect them to bounce back.

Minnesota is a tire fire, but Chicago could turn around quick if you add another top D prospect. I'm baffled by the Maatta trade too, in that regard. Why not just draft Byram?

As long as our LD holds, we're in great position to defend our title.
 

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Blues will have their work to do after this celebration period. The longer it goes on, the worse it will get for them.

Other NHL players are probably beginning their conditioning or are well into their post surgery recovery.

If the celebrations go well into July, our boys will have a load of work to do in August and September.
 

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Dallas and Colorado are a 2C away from being really, really scary. That being said, Bishop's injury history and Grubauer's lack of long-term excellence gives me a little pause.

Winnipeg is also missing a 2c, but their winger depth is absurd. I'm as baffled as you guys are by the Pionk thing, though. Trouba is better on every level and their window is open.

Nashville's TDL deals last year shows they're flailing. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Turris and Subban this offseason, but I expect them to bounce back.

Minnesota is a tire fire, but Chicago could turn around quick if you add another top D prospect. I'm baffled by the Maatta trade too, in that regard. Why not just draft Byram?

As long as our LD holds, we're in great position to defend our title.

If I had to guess, they are convinced Turcotte is the heir apparent for a Toews replacement.
 

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I feel like the Jets could have gotten a similar deal at the deadline. I would have played out the season and if it looked like they weren't contenders then pull the trigger. But the Jets have enough talent that they really are contenders and should be in a "win now" mode. I think if I am the Jets GM and that's all I can get for Trouba then I keep him and go for the Cup this upcoming season.
The value they got was terrible. Absolutely looks like what they would have gotten at deadline. They have huge cap problems though and presumably fealt if Trouba wasn't going to be there long-term needed to move him to sign other guys who would be.
 

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Don’t sleep on Chicago next year. I keep seeing they’re in on Pavelski, and they’ve got more money to spend after that. Could see Tyler Myers signing there as well as having a top 3 pick. They’re in my mix of bubble teams right now.
 
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Don’t sleep on Chicago next year. I keep seeing they’re in on Pavelski, and they’ve got more money to spend after that. Could see Tyler Myers signing there as well as having a top 3 pick. They’re in my mix of bubble teams right now.

Played at a 100 point pace over the course of the second half. Didn't like their trade for Maatta. Think Kahun is a solid player.
 
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Yeah, I think Chicago is going to make the playoffs next year. They’ve done very well in the draft the last three years and just acquired a player to anchor their 2C for the next 3+ years. All they need is goalie depth and I think they are back to playoff status, if not contenders.
 

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Don’t sleep on Chicago next year. I keep seeing they’re in on Pavelski, and they’ve got more money to spend after that. Could see Tyler Myers signing there as well as having a top 3 pick. They’re in my mix of bubble teams right now.
They've got around $17M to fill 6 forward positions, and that's if the cap actually goes up to $83M. Signing Pavelski would leave them around $9M to fill the last 5 slots. I don't see how Meyers would be an option there unless they are able to move one of Keith, Seabrook or Murphy - good luck with that. Then next off-season they will need money to sign Strome, DeBrincat and Gustafsson.
 
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