Around the NHL #5 (The Mike Smith Tracking Thread Returns)

[RemoAZ]

We'd be the same bad team with those guys in place of the ones we got back... just a different flavor of bad.

Maybe but now we're up against the cap and stuck with most of these guys.

 

[cobra427]

Tip left because he was fired. There was no other part.

Not true.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Maybe but now we're up against the cap and stuck with most of these guys.

If GMJC is put in the position to be a seller at the deadline he could clear significant cap space.

 

[TheLegend]

Although Tip didn't say it, I wonder if part of him leaving was not wanting to be under an inexperienced GM calling the shots..

You forget?

Tippett was VP of Hockey Ops. Drummond gave him that position which put him over Chayka.

We had a whole thread about that one.

If one wanted to speculate.... Barroway probably wanted him out of that position and Tippett wouldn’t give it up.

 

[_Del_]

Tip left because he was fired. There was no other part.

Not only that, but Chayka himself said Tippett had the final say in roster decisions. Bizarro world.

 

[TheLegend]

This is interesting...

 

[cobra427]

Not only that, but Chayka himself said Tippett had the final say in roster decisions. Bizarro world.

There is more to this, he wasn't fired and didn't have ultimate say in roster decisions.

 

[_Del_]

Well, the fact he "walked away" both from and with millions of dollars suggests there was fire to the smoke that he was under the threat of being fired "with cause", and Chayka says you're a liar. Who to believe..? The internet poster that repeatedly lies about everything else, or young Chayka?

I just don't know...

 

[XX]

Anyone claiming Tippett wasn't fired is maliciously gaslighting and trying to revise history. Disgusting.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Tippett accepted a buyout for less money than he'd have gotten if he'd been fired. So it wasn't a one-way deal - it was a mutually-agreed-upon termination.

 

[_Del_]

The only reason he would accept less money than his contract is if there was a real question to whether he'd get his money... Like if he were fired with cause.

The only reason the team would pay out a negotiated settlement is if there was a question as to whether they'd be on the hook for the full contract if he took up motorcycles full time after being fired.

The "Dave quit" scenario makes no sense. You don't pay people to quit. You pay them when their contract is terminated.

"Hi, I'd like to quit"
"Oh, okay. That pleases me. You're walking away from your contract then?"
" Yeah"
"Well, I'm notoriously shallow pocketed, but here's a multimillion dollar check for a resigning bonus"
"Geepers, thanks"

 

[_Del_]

Although Tip didn't say it, I wonder if part of him leaving was not wanting to be under an inexperienced GM calling the shots?

NO.

I'm going to drop this here for posterity.

In a few months and every few months after that, I anticipate we will continue to hear challenges to the claim that Dave Tippett had the final say on all hockey ops related issues. It will be dismissed as exaggeration and speculation.

So here is John Chayka admitting to John Gambo (last three minutes of interview) that his job is to bring information to Tippett and that Dave Tippett has the final say.

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Just for reference when the inevitable challenges come up. We can easily search "posterity" and find this link.

Unless the "inexperienced GM" Tipp hated having call the shots was himself....

 

[cobra427]

The only reason he would accept less money than his contract is if there was a real question to whether he'd get his money... Like if he were fired with cause.

The only reason the team would pay out a negotiated settlement is if there was a question as to whether they'd be on the hook for the full contract if he took up motorcycles full time after being fired.

The "Dave quit" scenario makes no sense. You don't pay people to quit. You pay them when they're contract is terminated.

"Hi, I'd like to quit"
"Oh, okay. That pleases me. You're walking away from your contract then?"
" Yeah"
"Well, I'm notoriously shallow pocketed, but here's a multimillion dollar check for a resigning bonus"
"Geepers, thanks"

That isn't how business deals work. Both parties agree to part ways and settle it. There was no question he would collect his full salary if fired. Contracts are next to impossible to void for cause.

 

[rt]

That isn't how business deals work. Both parties agree to part ways and settle it. There was no question he would collect his full salary if fired. Contracts are next to impossible to void for cause.

He would only collect if he didn't take another job. Settlement was better for both sides.

 

[_Del_]

That isn't how business deals work. Both parties agree to part ways and settle it. There was no question he would collect his full salary if fired. Contracts are next to impossible to void for cause.

Well, it sounds like they were ready to try...


Your second nonsense scenario:
"Oh, you're going to fire me? Let me take less money than my contract."

Neither scenario makes sense unless the final outcome was in question. The only scenario with questions and risks for both parties to find a settlement involves potential litigation, as the rumours suggested. I'm sure the league was happy not to open Pandora's box.

 

[Grimes]

Zucker for a 2nd and Galchenyuk. To think that that could have been us instead of Kessel....

 

[cobra427]

Well, it sounds like they were ready to try...


Your second nonsense scenario:
"Oh, you're going to fire me? Let me take less money than my contract."

Neither scenario makes sense unless the final outcome was in question. The only scenario with questions and risks for both parties to find a settlement involves potential litigation, as the rumours suggested. I'm sure the league was happy not to open Pandora's box.

Parting ways and reaching a settlement agreement is common in business, nothing more here to see. He wasn't fired and he didn't quit, can't make it any easier to explain than that.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Galchenyuk isn't going to be in the NHL for much longer. 4 teams in 3 years....

 

[TheLegend]

 

[_Del_]

Parting ways and reaching a settlement agreement is common in business, nothing more here to see.

Last NHL coach with a negotiated buyout was..?

 

[Jamieh]

Last NHL coach with a negotiated buyout was..?

Bill Peters

 

[_Del_]

Citation?

 

[XX]

LeBrun just said the only reason Pittsburgh took Chucky was to get Kessel the hell out of Pittsburgh. Kind of funny.

 

[Jamieh]

Citation?

As soon as someone posts some proof on anything Tippett. Highly unlikely Peter's just resigned from the last high paying nhl gig he is likely to get.

 

[TheLegend]