Around the NHL 2023-24 season thread - part II

[My3Sons]

“Science is still lacking” lol what does that pud know about neuroscience.

"Lacking" is a loaded word. To me it makes it sound like they'v done studies and it's accepted that there is no relationship as opposed to they haven't really done proper studies yet so there is not enough underlying data for the appropriate doctors to draw conclusions.

 

[forceten]

There's quite a bit of ink spilled on head hits and brain injury. Soccer with headers. Boxing. American and Canadian football. Give me a break. Daly is full of it.

 

[JrFischer54]

i'm confused whats the end game with this? so the nhl admits cte from hits to the head is real ok then what happens?

 

[Ripshot 43]

Probably would start with making targeting the head and or hits to the head a much larger fine (time and money).

 

[My3Sons]

There's quite a bit of ink spilled on head hits and brain injury. Soccer with headers. Boxing. American and Canadian football. Give me a break. Daly is full of it.

A quick google search suggests to me that while the risks are clear, Daly is relying on the old legal maxim that correlation is not causation. Do I think he's being disingenuous? Absolutely. Is he legally stating an untruth? It likely would depend upon what court you were in and how good the expert was for the players. On balance he should be ashamed of himself and maybe subjected to repeated blows to the head for a long period of time so he can see the science at work.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Hey Bill…

 

[Blackjack]

i'm confused whats the end game with this? so the nhl admits cte from hits to the head is real ok then what happens?

Ban fighting
Ban headshots
Ban late hits (what's considered a "continuation" hit now)

You know, the shit they should have done 20-30 years ago

Probably also fewer games and more maintenance days so players have more chance to recover.

 

[HBK27]

i'm confused whats the end game with this? so the nhl admits cte from hits to the head is real ok then what happens?

Lawsuits?

 

[Emperoreddy]

Kings had two goalies nix trades to them.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

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I'm guessing the Devils got to see U2 at the "sphere".

 

[JrFischer54]

Ban fighting
Ban headshots
Ban late hits (what's considered a "continuation" hit now)

You know, the shit they should have done 20-30 years ago

Probably also fewer games and more maintenance days so players have more chance to recover.

maybe they will eventually do that stuff but i dont see that happening anytime soon. i personally like fighting so i hope they dont get rid of it. they kinda do ban headshots with penalties and suspensions same with late hits. bottom line is its a physical sport only way you eliminate that stuff is eliminate hitting all together. i feel for the players of the 80s 90s i dont feel like we were there as a society knowing what we know now. but come on if you are signing up to play football hockey TODAY or any other contact sport its known that this is a big issue thats on you then. if the league wants to change like you said great if they dont then so be it dont play? i dont know

Kings had two goalies nix trades to them.

they are afraid of that income tax

 

[Blackjack]

maybe they will eventually do that stuff but i dont see that happening anytime soon. i personally like fighting so i hope they dont get rid of it. they kinda do ban headshots with penalties and suspensions same with late hits. bottom line is its a physical sport only way you eliminate that stuff is eliminate hitting all together. i feel for the players of the 80s 90s i dont feel like we were there as a society knowing what we know now. but come on if you are signing up to play football hockey TODAY or any other contact sport its known that this is a big issue thats on you then. if the league wants to change like you said great if they dont then so be it dont play? i dont know


they are afraid of that income tax

To be clear, when I say "late hits" I mean all hits that occur after the player has released the puck. (This is technically already the rule, the only legal hit is to separate the player from the puck, but obviously it is not understood or enforced that way.)

Headshots are also technically banned but DOPS bends over backwards to avoid penalizing them, so a lot of this is more changing the enforcement rather than the explicit rule.

Most players signing up to play hockey are children, and they're signed up by their parents.

Some people enjoy watching the Bedards and Hugheses make high skill plays at high speeds, some people enjoy watching people give each other brain injuries.

 

[Patrik26]

To be clear, when I say "late hits" I mean all hits that occur after the player has released the puck. (This is technically already the rule, the only legal hit is to separate the player from the puck, but obviously it is not understood or enforced that way.)

Headshots are also technically banned but DOPS bends over backwards to avoid penalizing them, so a lot of this is more changing the enforcement rather than the explicit rule.

Most players signing up to play hockey are children, and they're signed up by their parents.

Some people enjoy watching the Bedards and Hugheses make high skill plays at high speeds, some people enjoy watching people give each other brain injuries.

Then the NHL should promo boxing and UFC and leave the head shots there.

 

[VoidCreature]

The thing that makes the NHL ignoring CTE worse than Football is I don’t know how you take hitting out of Football.

You can take hitting out of hockey and it’s still hockey.

 

[njdevils1982]

The thing that makes the NHL ignoring CTE worse than Football is I don’t know how you take hitting out of Football.

You can take hitting out of hockey and it’s still hockey.

studies say this shows a reduction in force impact of 10% compared to a bare helmet. it's a start at least.

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... and i'm surprised with all the fights that tie domi has had his head isnt mash potatoes.
oh wait.... can't feel anything when your head is literally made of concrete......f***ing piece of shit cement head

 

[None Shall Pass]

Kings had two goalies nix trades to them.

Ullmark and who else?

 

[Emperoreddy]

Ullmark and who else?

Supposedly Markstrom

 

[Clam Jensen]

The thing that makes the NHL ignoring CTE worse than Football is I don’t know how you take hitting out of Football.

You can take hitting out of hockey and it’s still hockey.

What blows my mind is that a football player can take a blow to the head, have a fencing response, and be back in a week, whereas a hockey player could be out for months.

 

[HBK27]

No surprise really...

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[Satans Hockey]

The thing that makes the NHL ignoring CTE worse than Football is I don’t know how you take hitting out of Football.

You can take hitting out of hockey and it’s still hockey.

Youth football participation is down big time because parents don't want their kids getting head injuries.

 

[forceten]

No surprise really...

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Damn

 

[JrFischer54]

Damn

more challenges so stupid just get rid of over the glass penalty all together. put video reviews back into every building and review all goals scored just like they did in the 90s and early 2000s. the "war room" review is a pointless "improvement"

 

[NjDevsRR]

more challenges so stupid just get rid of over the glass penalty all together.

Youll see nonstop pucks going over the glass if there was no penalty. That would be terrible for the sport.

 

[Saugus]

Youll see nonstop pucks going over the glass if there was no penalty. That would be terrible for the sport.

I don't think so. Make it the same as an icing and teams would still avoid doing it, but it wouldn't disproportionately swing momentum by granting the other team a PP.

You cannot convince me that flipping the puck out of the rink is an equivalent infraction to hooking, high-sticking, holding, tripping, etc. And that somehow if you accidentally manage to nick the glass while the puck goes out, that makes it ok.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I don't think so. Make it the same as an icing and teams would still avoid doing it, but it wouldn't disproportionately swing momentum by granting the other team a PP.

You cannot convince me that flipping the puck out of the rink is an equivalent infraction to hooking, high-sticking, holding, tripping, etc. And that somehow if you accidentally manage to nick the glass while the puck goes out, that makes it ok.

Like I said, it will be terrible for the sport to have another “icing” method. The amount of instances where players are in a jam and can easily chuck it into the stands is not good for the league if you go down that route. It’s really not a conversation to be had. The DOG penalty is needed.

I agree that it should be reviewable though. And maybe the ones where players inadvertently hit it out of mid air and over the glass should be excluded. But you can’t just get rid of the DOG penalty. It would hurt the quality of the sport.