Around the NHL 2021-22

[Enoch]

Yeah, really does look like he priced himself out of any deals if the leak about the Calgary deal is accurate. Seriously, why a first and a third? Just get a damn pick! If you can get a second from 10 teams to pick a certain player that is still a shit ton of picks and draft capital to throw around. Just like complete negligence to come away with nothing put the 30 players...

Horrific

passed on quite a few legit great players as well.

 

[Armourboy]

Yeah, really does look like he priced himself out of any deals if the leak about the Calgary deal is accurate. Seriously, why a first and a third? Just get a damn pick! If you can get a second from 10 teams to pick a certain player that is still a shit ton of picks and draft capital to throw around. Just like complete negligence to come away with nothing put the 30 players...

That's basically how Vegas was able to stay good after the first year. They leveraged all those picks and prospects for other players. Seattle is basically worse than us with none of the capital to go with it.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I know the other GMs were more prepared this time by timing contracts to leave players as UFA instead of under contract, managing ELCs, and finding trading partners before the ED but NOTHING to show for all that leverage? And passing up on good players just because the contracts are to expensive? Good players have to be paid.....wtf?

 

[Armourboy]

I know the other GMs were more prepared this time by timing contracts to leave players as UFA instead of under contract, managing ELCs, and finding trading partners before the ED but NOTHING to show for all that leverage? And passing up on good players just because the contracts are to expensive? Good players have to be paid.....wtf?

I think he just got outplayed. He showed his hand too much. GM's figured out he was going cheap and that's one reason why so many big contracts were exposed. Had he played it right he could have taken most of those same plays and gotten a 3rd rounder at least to boot. Instead he got a decent Dcorp, hopeful but unproven goalies and a forward core that is just rough.

 

[BigFatCat999]

f***ing aye Blackhawks.

 

[Armourboy]

Jesus if they knew about that they should all be fired.

 

[Armourboy]

I can't understand why people can't seem to get that even if Weber retires and the NHL does make us deal with the recapture that we are ok. We had enough cap space before we traded Arvy and Ellis

 

[LCPreds]

I can't understand why people can't seem to get that even if Weber retires and the NHL does make us deal with the recapture that we are ok. We had enough cap space before we traded Arvy and Ellis

I’m not sure which is worse. Those takes or the ones that think we should trade major assets for his rights.

 

[herzausstein]

I can't understand why people can't seem to get that even if Weber retires and the NHL does make us deal with the recapture that we are ok. We had enough cap space before we traded Arvy and Ellis

It's more fun for them to fantasize about us selling them the farm to them than to just admit there's really no need for us to do that.

 

[PredsV82]

I can't understand why people can't seem to get that even if Weber retires and the NHL does make us deal with the recapture that we are ok. We had enough cap space before we traded Arvy and Ellis

Yeah if he retires now the hit gets spread over 5 years I believe. But I still am waiting for a good explanation of why he would be expected to retire and forfeit millions of dollars instead of going on LTIR

 

[Legionnaire11]

Yeah if he retires now the hit gets spread over 5 years I believe. But I still am waiting for a good explanation of why he would be expected to retire and forfeit millions of dollars instead of going on LTIR

It's just Montreal fans hoping that he retires so they have more cap flexibility in the off-season. Apparently the Preds should deal with the consequences of their decisions, but the Canadiens shouldn't.

 

[PredsV82]

It's just Montreal fans hoping that he retires so they have more cap flexibility in the off-season. Apparently the Preds should deal with the consequences of their decisions, but the Canadiens shouldn't.

But what difference is there? Dont they get the same cap relief for LTIR that they would if he retired?

 

[triggrman]

But what difference is there? Dont they get the same cap relief for LTIR that they would if he retired?

I guess the LTIR is year by year, and Weber wants to play, so they couldn't use that money on a long term deal if there's a shot he'll be back next year.

 

[herzausstein]

I guess the LTIR is year by year, and Weber wants to play, so they couldn't use that money on a long term deal if there's a shot he'll be back next year.

If Weber wants to play then he won't retire either if there's a chance he can get healthy enough to play.

 

[Legionnaire11]

But what difference is there? Dont they get the same cap relief for LTIR that they would if he retired?

Teams can exceed the cap by 10% during the offseason. So Weber alone would be okay, but they also have Carey Price probably on LTIR. So because the cap is $81.5M for the next couple of years, teams can carry a total payroll of $89.65M. But if they have $18.36 tied up in LTIR for Weber and Price, they can effectively only sign players worth a total of $71.29M during the offseason and would need to wait until the season begins and LTIR is removed from the cap before being able to utilize that last $9.21M.

Their hope is that Weber outright retires so they can close that gap down to $1.35M

Maybe it's actually Preds fans who should be trolling their board with ridiculous notions of Poile bending over Bergeron in a deal to bring Weber back

 

[Armourboy]

Teams can exceed the cap by 10% during the offseason. So Weber alone would be okay, but they also have Carey Price probably on LTIR. So because the cap is $81.5M for the next couple of years, teams can carry a total payroll of $89.65M. But if they have $18.36 tied up in LTIR for Weber and Price, they can effectively only sign players worth a total of $71.29M during the offseason and would need to wait until the season begins and LTIR is removed from the cap before being able to utilize that last $9.21M.

Their hope is that Weber outright retires so they can close that gap down to $1.35M

Maybe it's actually Preds fans who should be trolling their board with ridiculous notions of Poile bending over Bergeron in a deal to bring Weber back

Wouldn't that be a turn of events.

 

[Adz]

Yeah if he retires now the hit gets spread over 5 years I believe. But I still am waiting for a good explanation of why he would be expected to retire and forfeit millions of dollars instead of going on LTIR

At this point, relatively speaking, it's not even that many millions. Only 12. (I know, I know...but we're talking about player salaries here, not MINE)
I know it's $6million this year and it dropped to I think 3m next year and $1m the next three years. Total, though, was $12m. Sure, he's going to count every penny as his rightfully negotiated money but after the coming year it's really a drop in the bucket for him.

 

[Armourboy]

At this point, relatively speaking, it's not even that many millions. Only 12. (I know, I know...but we're talking about player salaries here, not MINE)
I know it's $6million this year and it dropped to I think 3m next year and $1m the next three years. Total, though, was $12m. Sure, he's going to count every penny as his rightfully negotiated money but after the coming year it's really a drop in the bucket for him.

Maybe so, but there is zero reason to leave millions of dollars on the table when there is no reason too.

I get that Luongo did, but I always got the feeling that was as much out of spite for the way Vancouver handled him as anything else. I'm sure Weber wasn't happy, but Poile didn't jerk him around for multiple years either, he just traded him.

 

[2nd Round Sleeper]

So just to update on the craziness of the last couple of days for Philly

Ship Ghost out to Arizona along with a 2nd and a 7th for nothing. Then today sent their first and a 3rd next year plus Hagg to Buffalo for Ristolanen.


I mean I really have no idea what they’re thinking lol

 

[Armourboy]

Maybe Poile should have waited on Ellis. Philly just gave up #13 OA +2023 2nd + Hagg for Ristoleinen.

 

[GoldOnGold]

Maybe Poile should have waited on Ellis. Philly just gave up #13 OA +2023 2nd + Hagg for Ristoleinen.

Yeah Ellis is better than Risto IMO. But Glass and Myers are still pretty good.

 

[Armourboy]

Yeah Ellis is better than Risto IMO. But Glass and Myers are still pretty good.

Oh I agree but Ellis is miles better than Risto and signed for more than 1 year too.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Maybe Poile should have waited on Ellis. Philly just gave up #13 OA +2023 2nd + Hagg for Ristoleinen.

It's hard to say for sure that there would have been more value after the draft. Or if those specific players would have been available, we'll never know if Philly was going to be expose one or both of the players Poile got.

 

[GoldOnGold]

Oh I agree but Ellis is miles better than Risto and signed for more than 1 year too.

It honestly might be because of size. Teams love big D these days.

 

[desmondtootoo]

Maybe Poile should have waited on Ellis. Philly just gave up #13 OA +2023 2nd + Hagg for Ristoleinen.

You can’t not pull the trigger on a good deal, in case something happens sometime in the future. Unless Poile knew that everybody in Philly is totally demented from syphillis or lead poisoning. Then maybe he pumps a little longer to get everything they’re giving away.
Those guys are gonna be remembered for these last 3 deals, like Matt Millen is remembered, or the fool who traded for Herschel Walker.