Around the NHL 2021-22

[PredsV82]

Not only is the old thread at 52 pages but I would say the ED is the start of the new season. Mods please lock the old thread.

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[PredsV82]

Man his stock has dropped. Would be his 4th team.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Come on NHL do something!

 

[hockey diva]

Dallas just signed Heiskanen to am 8 x 8.25 contract. Yikes!

 

[PredsV82]

Dallas just signed Heiskanen to am 8 x 8.25 contract. Yikes!

Hmmm. Seeing that and hearing what Landeskog is reportedly asking, it seems that the star players dont give a rat's that the cap is flat, they want their cake... and I'm guessing this is being driven by the fact that they only got modest percentages of their salaries the past 2 years..

 

[AnalogKid]

Hmmm. Seeing that and hearing what Landeskog is reportedly asking, it seems that the star players dont give a rat's that the cap is flat, they want their cake... and I'm guessing this is being driven by the fact that they only got modest percentages of their salaries the past 2 years..

Screw Dallas

 

[Legionnaire11]

It's going to end up like the NFL where teams have a handful of core stars that they pay insane money to, and everyone else is on a league minimum deal.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Dallas just signed Heiskanen to am 8 x 8.25 contract. Yikes!

He's one of the best in the game right now. I like his deal better than I like Ellis'

 

[Viqsi]

Man his stock has dropped. Would be his 4th team.

It's evidently largely a gamble based on the fact that he's missing the starting third to half of what is the last season on his curent contract and so he may not actually be draft-desirable. Plus a desire to keep Robinson in union blue.

 

[Legionnaire11]

He's one of the best in the game right now. I like his deal better than I like Ellis'

And Heiskanen's contract ends at age 29, Ellis at age 36...

 

[CartographerNo611]

And Heiskanen's contract ends at age 29, Ellis at age 36...

Ellis is now a Flyer.

 

[Tysonson3]

I’m really drunk right now so I will comment on this tomorrow!

 

[nine_inch_fang]

This is the best news!!! This off season is going splendidly so far!

 

[101st_fan]

Poile doesn't make moves except when he does. These boards got one of the things they wanted with Ellis moved out ... a future complaint here.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

So here's my thing. Myers and Patrick for Ellis great. Well done.

Patrick for Glass... Not so great.

 

[101st_fan]

So here's my thing. Myers and Patrick for Ellis great. Well done.

Patrick for Glass... Not so great.

The rights to Patrick for Glass.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Glass being exempt I guess helps? But the guys analytics is BAD

 

[Armourboy]

Glass being exempt I guess helps? But the guys analytics is BAD

Patrick ain't exactly set the NHL on fire.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Glass being exempt I guess helps? But the guys analytics is BAD

First, the only analytics you have on him are from Twitter which are about as useful as the banter that any random fan posts on HF.

Second, Glass has had two half NHL Covid seasons worth of development that also involved a big injury and a coaching change. Lots of potential there and 6'2 blue chip prospects don't grow on trees. Hynes is supposed to be a teacher of young players, so this could be exactly the situation Glass needs to take the next step.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

First, the only analytics you have on him are from Twitter which are about as useful as the banter that any random fan posts on HF.

Second, Glass has had two half NHL Covid seasons worth of development that also involved a big injury and a coaching change. Lots of potential there and 6'2 blue chip prospects don't grow on trees. Hynes is supposed to be a teacher of young players, so this could be exactly the situation Glass needs to take the next step.

That's fair. I'm good with the move overall, just not sure Patrick for Glass without a sweetner but I'm ok with it. I'm actually happy with the direction.

 

[LCPreds]

First, the only analytics you have on him are from Twitter which are about as useful as the banter that any random fan posts on HF.

Second, Glass has had two half NHL Covid seasons worth of development that also involved a big injury and a coaching change. Lots of potential there and 6'2 blue chip prospects don't grow on trees. Hynes is supposed to be a teacher of young players, so this could be exactly the situation Glass needs to take the next step.

I mean I did pull this from "Twitter" but there is also a highly respected person posting the information:



Note: He doesn't call Glass BAD. Also, he is not taking other factors into account just providing metrics on the players. We're all aware of the salary benefits, potential protection benefits, etc.

 

[Armourboy]

We will see how it goes. These are all metrics compiled from other teams, and especially when it comes to young Dmen you gotta have some pretty good faith in Poile there.

 

[Legionnaire11]

I always go back to this when the analytics stuff comes up, I don't know how many times I've posted this on HF but I don't think it can be spread enough.

From the fantastic book "23 to Win"...

23toWin - Book, Hockey, Nhl

Coaches don't want to be shown a breakdown or a mistake -- they can see these for themselves. They want to know why it happened and how to prevent it happening again. They want a report telling them that x percent of the team's zone entries were controlled entries, and that if the rate is subpar, the contributing factors are, for example, that opposing defenses are gapping up against the team's forwards, that the team is not making enough forward passes through the neutral zone, or that the team's not driving up through the neutral zone with enough speed. The goal is to find and exploit flaws in an opponent's system and execution, or to identify and correct deficiencies in a team's own play.

Typically, coaches will be interested in scoring-chance metrics first, followed by puck possession metrics and then the myriad of measurements underlying them, such as battles won or lost ..... the advantage will fall to those who can sense which metrics and trends are important ..... who can then identify and interpret which of them is actionable, and who can communicate - in hockey language - what the data means to coaches and players grounded in the reality and intensity of on-ice competition

The book talks about how NHL teams employ dozens of people (spotters if you will) to track various stats throughout the game. Their internal analytics staff will turn that into data for the coach to utilize at intermission and after games. That is useful analytics because it allows the coach to use data and weigh it against the gameplan to measure outcomes and make adjustments. I had the chance to ask Jack Han about this, (analytics guy, former coach with the Marlies, hockey tactics author) and he says the twitter guys have like 20% of the info that an NHL analytics staff has. So sure, twitter gets some things right, but so do those of us who just know how to watch hockey. But these things should definitely not be taken as gospel or leaned on nearly as heavily as they are by so many fans in hockey discussion circles such as HF.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I always go back to this when the analytics stuff comes up, I don't know how many times I've posted this on HF but I don't think it can be spread enough.

From the fantastic book "23 to Win"...

23toWin - Book, Hockey, Nhl






The book talks about how NHL teams employ dozens of people (spotters if you will) to track various stats throughout the game. Their internal analytics staff will turn that into data for the coach to utilize at intermission and after games. That is useful analytics because it allows the coach to use data and weigh it against the gameplan to measure outcomes and make adjustments. I had the chance to ask Jack Han about this, (analytics guy, former coach with the Marlies, hockey tactics author) and he says the twitter guys have like 20% of the info that an NHL analytics staff has. So sure, twitter gets some things right, but so do those of us who just know how to watch hockey. But these things should definitely not be taken as gospel or leaned on nearly as heavily as they are by so many fans in hockey discussion circles such as HF.

Keep sharing this every time this subject comes up.