Around the League 2015/16 - Part IV

[Jimson Hogarth*]

I've been saying for months people's cap concerns were overblown and Lombardi, one of the NHLs best agrees.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Meanwhile benning trying to convince us that Higgins is unmovable. Lol

Higgins is moveable- to Utica via waivers.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I'm starved for a big trade, any two teams.
Somethings interesting to talk about for a few days, I can't wait until the deadline.

Just had to wait a day

 

[Verviticus]

hello all. remember when i said "all nhl gms are idiots". well a guy that won two cups in three years just made that trade. enjoy hearing me use this in arguments for all time as to why most average humans with no hockey knowledge could be general managers

 

[Nuckles]

hello all. remember when i said "all nhl gms are idiots". well a guy that won two cups in three years just made that trade. enjoy hearing me use this in arguments for all time as to why most average humans with no hockey knowledge could be general managers

Everyone who works in the NHL is there for a reason. They never make mistakes, not a single bad move by any of them. You aren't an NHL GM so you can't judge them.

Am I doing this right?

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Everyone who works in the NHL is there for a reason. They never make mistakes, not a single bad move by any of them. You aren't an NHL GM so you can't judge them.

Am I doing this right?

You forgot an "Appeal to authority"

 

[Verviticus]

pretty damn close ya

You forgot an "Appeal to authority"

no no, he's making fun of the other people. you got this all backwards again!!

 

[MS]

Both guys are off the books at the end of the year, and LA gives up little of value.

It's not the move I would have made, but it's a low-risk move for LA to add depth. Schenn is basically making the same as Bartkowski for the rest of the year.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Still doesn't make sense, but now it makes more sense.

Yeah you're not handcuffed long-term, but you're still spending $2.5M on two sub-replacement level players for the rest of the season. Weird move.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Yeah you're not handcuffed long-term, but you're still spending $2.5M on two sub-replacement level players for the rest of the season. Weird move.

Maybe this "replacement player" stuff is just made up crap by armchair fans with an excel spreadsheet who are making bs comparisons without context?

Maybe cap space isn't as important as you guys like to argue.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Both guys are off the books at the end of the year, and LA gives up little of value.

It's not the move I would have made, but it's a low-risk move for LA to add depth. Schenn is basically making the same as Bartkowski for the rest of the year.

Imagine if Lecavalier decides not to retire, both teams will probably send out assassins to threat him.

 

[Serac]

This would be like us giving away a more consistent (albeit smaller) Grenier and a 3rd for two cap dumps...erm, depth

This board would have exploded if we made that deal

 

[arttk]

This would be like us giving away a more consistent (albeit smaller) Grenier and a 3rd for two cap dumps...erm, depth

This board would have exploded if we made that deal

Yeah not sure if those 2 guys actually count as quality depth. I thought Vinny is pretty much done as a player.

 

[DCantheDDad]

I cant believe Philly got that for those two. Good on them.

 

[Proto]

Maybe this "replacement player" stuff is just made up crap by armchair fans with an excel spreadsheet who are making bs comparisons without context?

Maybe cap space isn't as important as you guys like to argue.

/one trade happens

/Jimson Hogarth will run that one trade into the ground and ignore every other instance of teams getting into cap trouble

/forever

 

[pitseleh]

Maybe this "replacement player" stuff is just made up crap by armchair fans with an excel spreadsheet who are making bs comparisons without context?

Replacement player isn't a hockey specific term. Professional sports teams in every major sport use the concept. I think it is you that is an armchair fan making up crap.

Maybe cap space isn't as important as you guys like to argue.

Cap space isn't the question. It's efficient allocation of the cap. GMs have two goals: efficiently allocating their cap (or budget) dollars and balancing winning now and in the future. Everything else a GM does (drafting, developing, trading, signing, etc.) supports those ends.

For example, drafting well isn't a virtue in and of itself. Drafting well is important because good young players are the most cap efficient players in the league.

 

[drax0s]

I thought board rules said we weren't supposed to target and make fun of other posters. Oh well. Not sure what to think about this trade. If we traded Sbisa (50% retained) and like Burrows (50% retained) for Vey and a 3rd... Hm. Would that be a net plus? I don't feel it really would.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Posted in the wrong thread, but I don't like this trade for LA. Also - looks like there is a rumoured deal between Nashville and CBJ going down...this will be interesting.

 

[thecupismine]

Lecavalier and Schenn, two very mediocre players on mediocre contracts (even with the 50% retained, Lecavalier's contract blows) just got a better return than Jim Benning got for Eddie Lack

 

[absolute garbage]

Remember when Philly signed Lecavalier to that contract and pretty much every armchair fan called that a disastrous, horrible contract right away?

Remember when armchair fans called trading JVR for Schenn a terrible idea because Schenn sucked back then and still sucks?

See? These guys make terrible decisions all the time that armchair fans would never do. Acting like your favorite team's GM is incapable of doing things like that despite all the evidence suggesting otherwise is the definition of blind homerism.


This trade is just whatever. LA got some (bad) veteran depth for the remaining year to help them out that Philly didn't need. Weal was really bad whenever I saw LA's games, so the 3rd rounder seem to be the only "major" asset here. That's Dorsett level asset right there. I'd kept the pick probably but hey, I'm sure they're gunning for the Cup and having two extra veteran bodies can help down the line.

 

[canucksfan]

Bad for LA IMO.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Remember when Philly signed Lecavalier to that contract and pretty much every armchair fan called that a disastrous, horrible contract right away?

Remember when armchair fans called trading JVR for Schenn a terrible idea because Schenn sucked back then and still sucks?

See? These guys make terrible decisions all the time that armchair fans would never do. Acting like your favorite team's GM is incapable of doing things like that despite all the evidence suggesting otherwise is the definition of blind homerism.


This trade is just whatever. LA got some (bad) veteran depth for the remaining year to help them out that Philly didn't need. Weal was really bad whenever I saw LA's games, so the 3rd rounder seem to be the only "major" asset here. That's Dorsett level asset right there. I'd kept the pick probably but hey, I'm sure they're gunning for the Cup and having two extra veteran bodies can help down the line.

Aside from that, I also recall a rumour where Philly was contemplating sending us Couturier for Luongo as an alternate plan to signing Lecavalier. This team would look very different if that was true and had gone down.

 

[Powder]

And boom goes the dynamite.

 

[DCantheDDad]

Holy moly. That is big. Jones for Johansen.

 

[Craz1bo1]

Everything is happening.