Proposal: Armia for Mantha
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Bouboumaster
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Who in Caps prospects would be better than Slafkovsky? Hutson? Kidney? Roy? Beck? Mailloux?
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Josh Brook - no 's' - was progressing really well before a knee injury that all but ended his career. That's not really the point though.
This isn't about over value - which EVERY fan base has people that do. This about a conscious choice to keep a player that fits better in a bottom six role than Mantha would in a top six - imo. Anthony is a long time removed from his string of 20 goal seasons in Detroit. Their offensive production is on the same level at this point. I'll take Armia for less, even with more term.
If you take that group minus the recent 1st overall then McMichael, Protas, Lapierre, Iorio, Frank, Chesley, and the aforementioned Miroschinenko are in that tier
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If this is how you describe Armia, Mantha could easily be described the same way. The Capitals have no problem paying Mantha’s salary for one more (Contract Year) season. Trading Mantha for Armia would be trading a guy who may have Trade Deadline value for a guy who certainly does not.
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Mantha is of the kind of players that is not sought after comes the playoffs: a soft unidimensional offensive player (that doesn't score anymore), that is not very invested in making the "little things that make a team win".
Armia at least proved to be a good defensive player. He was very efficient on a line with Perry/E. Staal in the Habs playoff run to the finals 2 years ago.
He's good at protecting the puck down low and has good defensive awareness.
All of which Mantha totally lack...
Armia at next year deadline will certainly have some value. Better than Manthas' actually.
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No one likes Armia as much as you. His value at any deadline will be the exact same as it is today….squat.
His value will not be greater than Mantha’s that’s intentionally obtuse. Neither has any real value and neither is worth much more or less than the other. For the Capitals Mantha certainly has more value because he CAN score (Armia absolutely CANNOT) and his deal ends sooner, it’s really that simple.
I tend to agree with you. However, it means that the Caps have no desire to compete and make the playoffs. Mantha's caphit hurts the Caps chances of improving the team from outside.
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Like most Habs prospects they're more hyped than Jesus until they set foot on NHL ice and then in 90% of cases turn into Ryan Poehling. At least the caps can produce NHLers from time to time.
Mailloux does look good though
Except when he fails to produce. Then we have Kidney failure. And when that happens, urine trouble.
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Things've changed lately.
Even Caufield was looking bad at the end of MB tenure, then the new group came in and every prospects Habs developed since have at least met the expectations, or outperformed them: Caufield, Guhle, Xekhaj, Barron, Harris...
MSL is the perfect coach for development.
Habs've drafted zillions times since 2018 and it paid off. They stockpiled prospects and now they both have quantity and quality.
If I’m the Caps I don’t sell low on the much better player. I wouldn’t want an extra year of Armia either.
Hang on to Mantha, with hopes he has a turn around year… then at the TDL you decide if you’re making a run or flipping a top 6 physical scoring winger, with retention to a cap contender, for some very nice futures.
Hang on to Mantha, with hopes he has a turn around year… then at the TDL you decide if you’re making a run or flipping a top 6 physical scoring winger, with retention to a cap contender, for some very nice futures.
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Reading through this thread really shows how much HFBoards is a hyperbole echo chamber!
I can see why Washington wouldn't be interested in Armia, but he has some value for a team looking for a player who's solid in the corners and cycling the puck, and who is a good PKer. Yes, he's expensive for what he brings and he isn't a good fit in a system built on speed, but he is a decent player in the right circumstances. If you saw the Habs finals run a few years ago, you saw the type of game he excels at.
Mantha is much more boom or bust, and more importantly, only has a year left on his deal.
It's perfectly fine to not want Armia, but making some of the exaggerated claims in this thread just makes people look unknowledgeable and out of touch.
I can see why Washington wouldn't be interested in Armia, but he has some value for a team looking for a player who's solid in the corners and cycling the puck, and who is a good PKer. Yes, he's expensive for what he brings and he isn't a good fit in a system built on speed, but he is a decent player in the right circumstances. If you saw the Habs finals run a few years ago, you saw the type of game he excels at.
Mantha is much more boom or bust, and more importantly, only has a year left on his deal.
It's perfectly fine to not want Armia, but making some of the exaggerated claims in this thread just makes people look unknowledgeable and out of touch.
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And we don't want that
Hutson's having a historical season in the NCAA
Ovi895 be like: "Eh! Ryan Poehling stuff over here"
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Roy kicking ass
Ovi895: nothing to see There, our prospects that are like three tiers down are better because Poehling and Kristo
Good argument bro
Gonna give any other teams a turn during this amazing dynasty you have brewing?
And by 3 tiers between McMichael, Protas, Iorio or Lapierre and Roy, Beck, Hutson you mean the tiers between NHL/AHL and whatever pee wee leagues the latter are dominating?
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It’s almost like you get it.
Also please point out any post where a Caps fan has made an exaggerated claim about Mantha. We know what he is, which is better than what Armia is for what our team needs. Nothing More, Nothing Less.
No Caps fan realistically thinks Mantha has high value but he’s a better player than Armia at producing points and the “intangibles” Armia supposedly brings are not enough to make a team bite on the extra year, thus Mantha is more valuable. It’s simple really.
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The Caps have $8M in Cap Space for the 2023-24 season with 12 Forwards, 4 Defensemen, and 2 goalies under contract. The GM has stated that they will add one (likely) Top 6 skilled Forward but will likely fill in the rest of the roster with guys near League Minimum and Rookies. The Caps can/will keep Mantha and be just fine on the trajectory they’re on currently no need to shuffle the deck by taking on another year of Armia’s hit.
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That’s good, because it almost like you comprehend what I’m saying…
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Since you haven’t linked a single post where anyone exaggerated Mantha’s value I’m going to consider that you’re just outright full of it. We all knew you were wrong, we didn’t know you were a liar.
Every one of them would crack the Habnots lineup. The Habs SUCK and will continue to suck for the rest of the decade. The caps prospects would make them suck less
