Are the Flyers better than their record?

[renberg]

Well, I think that goes back to the coaching factor. The talent for a very solid top six is there, but it was all jerked around all year and had ice time reduced to maximize 4th line playing time.

Top talent + awful coaching= golf dates in mid-April.

 

[Super Cake]

Sens fan coming in and saying yes. The Flyers are definitely a better team than their record suggests imo.

Get a new coach and fix your blueline and i guarantee you guys will be back in the playoffs next season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

reality can be a ***** sandwich sometimes

I don't think you understand how the hockey world calculates winning percentage. It's not just a couple people on this board trying to make the season look better, it's simply how it's done.


Points are what counts, not raw wins.

 

[bauerhockey02]

I don't think you understand how the hockey world calculates winning percentage. It's not just a couple people on this board trying to make the season look better, it's simply how it's done.


Points are what counts, not raw wins.

82 games with a possible 2 points per game equals a max of 164 points. 84/164= .512 to apply some common core math

 

[OrangeJesus]

82 games with a possible 2 points per game equals a max of 164 points. 84/164= .512 to apply some common core math

Which makes sense since they were the definition of mediocre.

 

[Qyburn]

The D is what it is. And it's downright terrible. You might even be able to argue they were bad enough that the record should have been worse. But Mason played above his skill level imo. I think he catapulted himself, permanently, into a higher tier when he came here, but not this high.

With those two factors the record shouldn't be the least bit surprising.

 

[04' hockey]

82 games with a possible 2 points per game equals a max of 164 points. 84/164= .512 to apply some common core math

33 times 2pts per win = 66 pts now add the "magical" 18 pts and you get to .500 ..... legit ??

the same magical pts every team "gets"

about as legit as calling a team that was outscored by 19 goals a .500 hockey team

Qyburn, help IS COMING, in the likes of Sanheim, Morin and Ghost.....gonna be fun to watch

 

[Phileeguy]

I don't think you understand how the hockey world calculates winning percentage. It's not just a couple people on this board trying to make the season look better, it's simply how it's done.


Points are what counts, not raw wins.

Which is why I rarely pay attention if a someone says a team is over .500. This year 24/30 teams can claim that. Congrats everyone, our team is just outside the bottom 20% of the league.

Frankly, I'd like to not see it used anymore as it's not really an accomplishment and quite commonplace. You have to go pre-lockout to have a season where less than 21 teams could say that they were .500 or better.

Or as an alternative, determine what .500 is differently. I'm sure someone has suggested this idea before. Since we know that 3 point games aren't rare, 82 points a year is only the median by technicality but not in reality, so average out points accrued by all teams then take that average. For instance if the rest of the games today don't go to OT the total points accrued by all teams would be 2760, and divide that by 30 for an average points total per team at 92 points. It would probably be a different number each year because you have different amounts of games past regulation each year. It's less than perfect, but IMHO it holds more weight than how .500 is calculated these days.

 

[Beef Invictus]

33 times 2pts per win = 66 pts now add the "magical" 18 pts and you get to .500 ..... legit ??

the same magical pts every team "gets"

about as legit as calling a team that was outscored by 19 goals a .500 hockey team

Qyburn, help IS COMING, in the likes of Sanheim, Morin and Ghost.....gonna be fun to watch

That's how the hockey world calculates winning percentage. I don't know why you object so strongly. It's simply how it's done. It's all about how many points you accumulate, and forcing OT gets you points. So, they factor in.


Washington, I believe, made the playoffs last year riding a wave of OT points.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Which is why I rarely pay attention if a someone says a team is over .500. This year 24/30 teams can claim that. Congrats everyone, our team is just outside the bottom 20% of the league.

Frankly, I'd like to not see it used anymore as it's not really an accomplishment and quite commonplace. You have to go pre-lockout to have a season where less than 21 teams could say that they were .500 or better.

Or as an alternative, determine what .500 is differently. I'm sure someone has suggested this idea before. Since we know that 3 point games aren't rare, 82 points a year is only the median by technicality but not in reality, so average out points accrued by all teams then take that average. For instance if the rest of the games today don't go to OT the total points accrued by all teams would be 2760, and divide that by 30 for an average points total per team at 92 points. It would probably be a different number each year because you have different amounts of games past regulation each year. It's less than perfect, but IMHO it holds more weight than how .500 is calculated these days.

I think the real average is something like .510...so anything below that is below average.

 

[bauerhockey02]

The D is what it is. And it's downright terrible. You might even be able to argue they were bad enough that the record should have been worse. But Mason played above his skill level imo. I think he catapulted himself, permanently, into a higher tier when he came here, but not this high.

With those two factors the record shouldn't be the least bit surprising.

I definitely feel bad for the guy this year. He played unbelievably.

 

[LexSea]

Yes, they are better than their record, but not by a great deal. Berube is clueless and needs to go, but there really is no patching over how dismal this season's defensive unit was.

 

[Curufinwe]

NHL.com has.....

82 games played - 33 games in the win column

depressing

So you wouldn't be happy with a team that went 41-0-41 because that's .500?

Keep in mind that they would have 123 points and likely win the President's Trophy.

 

[04' hockey]

So you wouldn't be happy with a team that went 41-0-41 because that's .500?

Keep in mind that they would have 123 points and likely win the President's Trophy.

sure I'd prefer 41 wins vs 33.....who wouldn't.....as far as the additional 41 "pts",

MEH every other team in the league gets them too, so how very

SPECIAL are they ?????

 

[Curufinwe]

Points are how you make the playoffs.

 

[04' hockey]

Points are how you make the playoffs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Its not like football or baseball where the wins determine playoffs.

 

[Halladay]

you are what your records says it is.

 

[ILoveStephanieBrown]

Sens fan coming in and saying yes. The Flyers are definitely a better team than their record suggests imo.

Get a new coach and fix your blueline and i guarantee you guys will be back in the playoffs next season.

well the blueline is in the early stages of being rebuilt. it's going to take some time however. hoping for a new coach but honestly have no idea if it will happen.

 

[RoDu]

I think our record is pretty accurate. Some very good forwards, some average, one more so terribad, dogs breakfast on D, great goalie a horror as a backup

 

[YEM]

The record reflects exactly what they are; a bottom 1/3rd team in the league. And they might be there for another year or two, there are a lot of good solid teams in the East...

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

If we can find a way to not be completely pitiful away from Philly and not lose 18 games in overtime then we should have a much better chance at playoffs.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

the flyers won 33 times in 82 attempts..... NO ?

let's not apply Common Core math here, huh ?

33 times 2pts per win = 66 pts now add the "magical" 18 pts and you get to .500 ..... legit ??

the same magical pts every team "gets"

about as legit as calling a team that was outscored by 19 goals a .500 hockey team

Qyburn, help IS COMING, in the likes of Sanheim, Morin and Ghost.....gonna be fun to watch

Points percentage does not equal winning percentage. The media gets this incorrect all the time and, apparently you don't get it either.

you are what your records says it is.

This is the correct answer to the thread question.

Berube, PK, terrible defensive depth, injuries, whatever other "explanation" are all reasons why the record is what it is.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Nope. If anything, I'm really surprised they got this many wins. Basically home games, Mason and the PP are the only reasons they really won. Their 5v5 goals were 24th in the league and in the bottom 10 in the league in total for their offense. It's kind of a miracle they got this many wins.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Nope. If anything, I'm really surprised they got this many wins. Basically home games, Mason and the PP are the only reasons they really won. Their 5v5 goals were 24th in the league and in the bottom 10 in the league in total for their offense. It's kind of a miracle they got this many wins.

Edmonton, Buffalo and Toronto were the only teams with fewer road wins.
tough to win when your head coach is getting outcoached in just about every game and pretty much every road game.