Speculation: Are NYR & CAR good trading partners?

[One Winged Angel]

I think the Canes might jump on McKeown for Spooner. At this point we're going to have to trade someone in order for McKeown to have a decent shot at a roster spot, and as a 22 year old who dipped his toe into the NHL for the first time and then went on to have a great AHL season, he really needs to have a path forward.

Spooner won't light the world on fire, but he is a legitimate NHL player unlike Derek Ryan so I'm good with that.

Spooner has 10 points through his first 6 games with the Rangers, it's going to take a lot more than McKeown to move him.

 

[DaveG]

I didn’t insinuate Zucc being the center. More along the lines of spooner or Hayes + Zucc to Carolina for a Dman and whatever fluff on either side to iron out the deal.

Thing is unless the dman's Fleury or Bean there's really nothing to be there. Personally I'd rather do something around our first (provided we don't win the lottery) and Rask for ROR. He may have 5 more years on his deal but he's versatile enough that he'd be the perfect #2 guy in the Brind'Amour mold once Necas is ready.

All said, I still think the primary option is and should be just driving a frigin Brinks truck up to Tavares and saying "name your price"

 

[Alluckks]

Carolina would be seeking a bona fide 1C in a deal. Zib is closest but would be looking for better considering one of the top blue liners likely will have to be dealt.

Yeah, those are available just all the time

 

[Alluckks]

I would do Pesce for Zibanejad

 

[Section32]

Not saying any of these deals with Zucc gets done, but here were are again, with fans of other teams severely downplaying a Ranger player's value.

Just look at what people are saying about Nash and JT. So many posts explain how much batter they are then expected.

Zucc is absolutely a unique player that is more difficult to line up when determining trade value.

However the bottom line is that there is a real reason he is the most beloved Ranger since Adam Graves almost 20 years ago.

 

[go4hockey]

Zucc + for pesce/Slavin?

Funny but Zucc does not sniff you either of those players.

 

[go4hockey]

Habs and Canes are good trading partners

Yep they need centers and you need centers..... not good partners at all.

 

[CanadianHawks]

Yep they need centers and you need centers..... not good partners at all.

One trade that could help both teams and make sense is a Lindholm for Galchenyuk trade. Maybe a small add by Carolina but with the Habs refusing to use Galchenyuk as a C, getting a big 2C going forward would likely be tempting

 

[bluedevil58]

Thing is unless the dman's Fleury or Bean there's really nothing to be there. Personally I'd rather do something around our first (provided we don't win the lottery) and Rask for ROR. He may have 5 more years on his deal but he's versatile enough that he'd be the perfect #2 guy in the Brind'Amour mold once Necas is ready.

All said, I still think the primary option is and should be just driving a frigin Brinks truck up to Tavares and saying "name your price"

Be prepared to be disappointed when he doesn't make it To the UFA market or does and we don't try to pursue him. That's the Hurricane way.

 

[Chan790]

Be prepared to be disappointed when he doesn't make it To the UFA market or does and we don't try to pursue him. That's the Hurricane way.

All past is prologue.

I don't think anything that has occurred to now can be reasonably looked at predictively regarding the Canes. That's all Karmanos era...and this is the time of Thomas Dundon. Dundon has shown he is willing to shake the apple cart, has immediate expectations, and isn't going to do things the old way anymore.

It would be out of character for Dundon to not pursue an asset like Tavares which is exactly what his business (the Carolina Hurricanes) needs to succeed. I don't know that JT will take it, but I'm pretty certain the Canes offer will explicitly be "$1M more per-year than anybody else offers you. We want you and cost is not an object."

 

[The S5]

Funny but Zucc does not sniff you either of those players.

Nonsense, Zucc's value gets you a Pesce level player. While this is true, the Canes don't do this deal because of more pressing needs.
FWIW, the Zbad for Hanifan deal makes some sense. Hanifan's value isn't nearly what some may believe, so the value is pretty close.

 

[SML2]

All past is prologue.

I don't think anything that has occurred to now can be reasonably looked at predictively regarding the Canes. That's all Karmanos era...and this is the time of Thomas Dundon. Dundon has shown he is willing to shake the apple cart, has immediate expectations, and isn't going to do things the old way anymore.

It would be out of character for Dundon to not pursue an asset like Tavares which is exactly what his business (the Carolina Hurricanes) needs to succeed. I don't know that JT will take it, but I'm pretty certain the Canes offer will explicitly be "$1M more per-year than anybody else offers you. We want you and cost is not an object."

That actually makes some sense to me. If Dundon has his heart set on offering JT the moon and Francis says stay the course, could that be the type of rift that gets Francis moved to another role?

 

[bluedevil58]

All past is prologue.

I don't think anything that has occurred to now can be reasonably looked at predictively regarding the Canes. That's all Karmanos era...and this is the time of Thomas Dundon. Dundon has shown he is willing to shake the apple cart, has immediate expectations, and isn't going to do things the old way anymore.

It would be out of character for Dundon to not pursue an asset like Tavares which is exactly what his business (the Carolina Hurricanes) needs to succeed. I don't know that JT will take it, but I'm pretty certain the Canes offer will explicitly be "$1M more per-year than anybody else offers you. We want you and cost is not an object."

If that's the case the scenario is 2 fold.

1. Will he hit the market?

2. Does he find NC attractive? This place is not a winter wonderland. But it rivals any other state in terms of geography offerings, quality of life, and being a small market which means not much media attention.

 

[Deam78]

They're good trading partner, but not for Zucc. They,re good trading partner for a trade including one of NYR's young C and CAR's young Dman and future.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don’t see fans of other teams making very many threads trying to acquire Zucc. I’m not saying he’s a worthless player by any stretch, I just don’t think he has anywhere near the value Ranger fans seem to think he does. He hasn’t had the best year, is getting older, is tiny. You aren’t getting anything young from the Canes for him.

You guys love him more than anyone else covets him. Keep him around for leadership.

When scanning the league for scoring forwards to fit in with the Canes core, Zucc wouldn’t even be on my radar. If you were practically giving him away and he was a short term last addition after all the other moves were made I’d do it. Other than that I wouldn’t add him at all.

I don’t see a single center on the Rangers I would trade Pesce or Slavin for. Not sure I would consider Zib for Hanifin, I think we could get better though I do like Zib.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Zucc + for pesce/Slavin?

So a 30 year old RW with one year left for either Pesce or Slavin, And Carolina does this why?

 

[LakeLivin]

I`m interested in Roland McKeown to the Rangers - I believe he can help our defensive core immensely next season. What about Hayes or Spooner in return?

Spooner has 10 pts in his last 6 games for us, and Hayes is playing very well recently, but we are deep in our center position so it will be a hard competition next year.

Completely ignoring value, this would have been much more interesting to me before the trade deadline. Now that the chance to bolster a run at the playoffs has passed, I'm reevaluating what we do at C. Lindholm is looking very solid at center since he was recently moved there, and Necas stands a good chance of slotting in next season (maybe with a few games in Charlotte to get a feel for the smaller ice). There's a couple of C prospects in Charlotte that look like they could soon be NHL ready, and there's always the FA market this summer, which I expect the Canes to target aggressively. We're much deeper on D on the left side, and McKeown is a R shot. Instead of trading McKeown (who I also see as being NHL ready next season), I'd rather package Faulk who should be able to return a higher scoring forward than Hayes or Spooner.

 

[LakeLivin]

Slavin for Lundy.

Otherwise, no.

[MOD] Slavin is 23yo, starting to show some nice offensive chops, and is on what will almost assuredly be a very favorable contract through the 2024-25 season. Lundkvist, while still one of the best at his position, is 36yo and carries an $8.5m cap hit for each of the next 3 seasons. While I'd love to see someone like Lundy in Raleigh, I wouldn't mortgage the future by giving away a young, likely legit #1 d-man in exchange for a 36yo goalie with a large cap hit. Even with some aggressive moves, Canes are probably still a few years off from legitimately contending for a cup, at which point I'd rather have a 25-26 yo Slavin than a 38-39yo Lundy.

Now, if Lundy was a FA and it was just a matter of throwing $ at him, it would be worth the risk imo. But to give up Slavin? No thanks.

 

[tradenashnow]

The Rangers have a ton of depth up the middle.. (Zibanejad, Hayes, Namestnikov, Spooner) with Andersson, Chytil and Howden on the cusp of breaking into the league.. While the canes need help up the middle and have a very good crop of defenseman. Not to forget Zuccarello is on the block, do the two teams line up well and if you were to make a move what would either side propose?

I don't see these teams as trading partners at all. The Rangers just added 3, quality defenseman prospects in the deals they made. They also have 3 first round picks. Two seconds and two thirds. I don't think the Rangers will be doing anything until they see how the draft falls for the. Barring a miracle, they will sign Kovalchuk and I'm not ruling out Tavares if he is a UFA.

 

[NotOpie]

I think the Canes might jump on McKeown for Spooner. At this point we're going to have to trade someone in order for McKeown to have a decent shot at a roster spot, and as a 22 year old who dipped his toe into the NHL for the first time and then went on to have a great AHL season, he really needs to have a path forward.

Spooner won't light the world on fire, but he is a legitimate NHL player unlike Derek Ryan so I'm good with that.

I think if the Canes are trading what is arguably their best RHD prospect in the system, he's going as part of a much larger deal for a more impactful return. In the case of the Rangers, switch Spooner with Zibanejad and add a pick/prospect and I think that's the start of a discussion. Not sure Rangers fans would agree, but we're talking about a guy who might still have some unrealized potential, however, he's a lifetime 46 point per season guy.

I’d hate to lose Pesce but I think the Canes would consider that.

I"m almost certain they do not. I think the Canes, and most hockey folks realize that Pesce's value is significantly higher than just his points production. I spent a few recent games watching him in the corners in his own end. I cannot recall a time when he didn't come out with the puck.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

[MOD] Slavin is 23yo, starting to show some nice offensive chops, and is on what will almost assuredly be a very favorable contract through the 2024-25 season. Lundkvist, while still one of the best at his position, is 36yo and carries an $8.5m cap hit for each of the next 3 seasons. While I'd love to see someone like Lundy in Raleigh, I wouldn't mortgage the future by giving away a young, likely legit #1 d-man in exchange for a 36yo goalie with a large cap hit. Even with some aggressive moves, Canes are probably still a few years off from legitimately contending for a cup, at which point I'd rather have a 25-26 yo Slavin than a 38-39yo Lundy.

Now, if Lundy was a FA and it was just a matter of throwing $ at him, it would be worth the risk imo. But to give up Slavin? No thanks.

He’s a canes fan. He was clearly joking with that proposal.

 

[Ori]

Completely ignoring value, this would have been much more interesting to me before the trade deadline. Now that the chance to bolster a run at the playoffs has passed, I'm reevaluating what we do at C. Lindholm is looking very solid at center since he was recently moved there, and Necas stands a good chance of slotting in next season (maybe with a few games in Charlotte to get a feel for the smaller ice). There's a couple of C prospects in Charlotte that look like they could soon be NHL ready, and there's always the FA market this summer, which I expect the Canes to target aggressively. We're much deeper on D on the left side, and McKeown is a R shot. Instead of trading McKeown (who I also see as being NHL ready next season), I'd rather package Faulk who should be able to return a higher scoring forward than Hayes or Spooner.

We need a prospect who have similar age like Lias Andersson (19-22) years old in our rebuild process.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think if the Canes are trading what is arguably their best RHD prospect in the system, he's going as part of a much larger deal for a more impactful return. In the case of the Rangers, switch Spooner with Zibanejad and add a pick/prospect and I think that's the start of a discussion. Not sure Rangers fans would agree, but we're talking about a guy who might still have some unrealized potential, however, he's a lifetime 46 point per season guy.

Unless we trade one of Faulk or Pesce, there’s nothing McKeown can do for us that would be more impactful than replacing Derek Ryan with a legit center. We have an overstock of defensemen and no centers... at some point you have to give to get, and this is the one guy we can legitimately afford to move.

Call for Zib and a pick, but Rangers fans will rightly shoot that down for a moderate prospect like McKeown.

 

[StormCast]

Yeah, those are available just all the time

If you are willing to pay the price, as recent years have shown, you can indeed trade for a 1C. However, that's really not my point but rather than the NYR do not have one so, no, they are not good trading partners.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't see these teams as trading partners at all. The Rangers just added 3, quality defenseman prospects in the deals they made. They also have 3 first round picks. Two seconds and two thirds. I don't think the Rangers will be doing anything until they see how the draft falls for the. Barring a miracle, they will sign Kovalchuk and I'm not ruling out Tavares if he is a UFA.

Rangers will not go there w/Kovy. Even short term, even reduced $.
Tavares has to decide where he is most comfortable, since most will cough up comparable $.
Toronto is not written in stone, but I understand they are home, have some high quality assets, and can pony up $.
Think they are faves for JT sweepstakes.