JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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My point is we all look a little silly when our way of assessing a player's worth to the team is number of points. Can we not do that with Arty? He would have easily led the team in scoring if he was given the plum zone starts and 5 on 5 time that a guy like Prospal got. (See post 41). But he wasn't used that way because he is a better all-around player, so he played PK and took on shutdown duty. Still he finished 38th in the league in points per 5-on-5 minutes. He was about 15th in the whole league for centers at 5-on-5 scoring rate.
And here we are mulling over the chances of buyout talk?
We are paying for potential a bit here, but it's a fair projection based on his current trajectory. Artem has 3 full seasons under his belt before last year's 35 games for the CBJ, so there is a pretty good sample size.
Brassard basically got a 4 year deal for the same cap hit and he had only played 48 NHL games when he got his deal, so it's not as crazily reliant on player growth as that contract was.
I hope you mean paying for potential of playing full seasons. Injuries are a concern and I get that.
But paying for potential quality of play? Am I crazy or is Arty already well worth a few million to us?
I think it's a good deal - I had said that earlier but maybe I wasn't clear with this post.
I mean that the deal is structured with the expectation that Artem continues to progress. He's getting 2.75 M next year, which is about on line with his play last year. By year 3, his salary increases 4 M, so there is some expectation that his potential has not yet been reached, hence we are paying a bit for his potential.
My point is I think that expectation is reasonable and we have a much larger track record of Artem's to base that expectation on, as compared to a contract like Brassard's.
Fair deal for both sides.
He's improved every year he's been in the league. For those saying its too much or an overpayment, keep that in mind.
Also, other than last year he had only missed 3 games in his NHL career, seems like just an unlucky year (hopefully) with injuries. Great contract
Didn't someone say a few months back AA was a 100% guarantee to play in the KHL this coming year?
While I have no issue with the contract, I like AA, and I tend to generally support the assessment that he is improving, the offensive production is fairly flat the last 3 seasons. He did increase his goal scoring last season, but is he going to continue to score at a 16% clip?
I certainly think he's growing as a forward, but we are going to need more than what he's shown to the point. He's a great break away finisher and a great two way player. Having said that I don't find him the greatest garbage goal kind of guy and haven't seen a ton of play making out of him.
At this point I think he's a solid third line player that can play a second line two way game. Which is great. However the ability is there to be more.
While I have no issue with the contract, I like AA, and I tend to generally support the assessment that he is improving, the offensive production is fairly flat the last 3 seasons. He did increase his goal scoring last season, but is he going to continue to score at a 16% clip?
I certainly think he's growing as a forward, but we are going to need more than what he's shown to the point. He's a great break away finisher and a great two way player. Having said that I don't find him the greatest garbage goal kind of guy and haven't seen a ton of play making out of him.
At this point I think he's a solid third line player that can play a second line two way game. Which is great. However the ability is there to be more.
.5ppg is solidly second-line. I think Arty is a second line two way player, and his stats suggest he could produce at a top-line rate if the Jackets were to use him as a scorer.
Before I give up, is his 2.35 points/60 minutes despite defensive usage that unimpressive to folks?
.5ppg is solidly second-line. I think Arty is a second line two way player, and his stats suggest he could produce at a top-line rate if the Jackets were to use him as a scorer.
Before I give up, is his 2.35 points/60 minutes despite defensive usage that unimpressive to folks?
Is there ANYONE here who is not absolutely thrilled to have Arty back for three years? There's your answer.
Is there ANYONE here who is not absolutely thrilled to have Arty back for three years? There's your answer.
I don't remember any of this fuss or any worries
Meh, he's post 30 minute prod. He's borderline. However, there is no denying that there is untapped potential. But he is more a top six guy because of his overall two way game as opposed to his offensive production.
What's impressive about him is not his stats, however. I have no idea how his stats suggest we could use him as a top line player, however. In addition, right now he's more of a one trick pony in the offensive end.
I'm fine with the signing, however we do have a small amount of homerism in play here. Nothing dramatic, but a lot of man-crush coloring things a bit.
I don't remember any of this fuss or any worries when Foligno signed his contract and this contract is basically the same thing, i think Anisimov will definitely earn this contract and will put up better number when given a little more chance offensively.
Those saying he's a 3rd liner or barely top 6 are crazy. .
If Foligno got this same contract today I'd fuss. To me he didn't live up to his hype.
I know exactly what he can do and I've also stated that I don't think he's peaked and he could end up far more than what he is. I understand you are deeply in man-crush land, but his performance to date has been that of a tweener. While JK hasn't been quite as direct, his words state something similar.
Understand potential versus current performance and you'll be alright. Your words indicate you might, it might simply be that you aren't quite paying enough attention to what I was saying.
This is all the more baffling because I haven't seen much, if any, negativity toward to move or him as a player. His offensive numbers really don't justify the dollars, although they are close, but his overall game does.