Player Discussion Andrew Shaw II - Playoff Edition

[Guns n Roses]

Ya but so am I so that mind set is perfect for me lol

 

[sharks9]

Horrible penalty, but other than that he was great tonight. Set a new career high in points in only 58 games

 

[Schwang]

Hopefully not injured again. They cannot replace him.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Truly hope he's not injured... Domi's line would be far worse without him.

 

[Deebs]

He's been excellent all year

 

[ludwig]

Truly hope he's not injured... Domi's line would be far worse without him.

He cleared concussion protocol so should be good vs Carolina

 

[BeastMode420]

He's been excellent all year

Still a horrible trade. I would take Alex DeBrincat before him anyday ... That's why I hate Bergevin

 

[ECWHSWI]

He's been excellent all year

not really no.

He's red hot right now, playing very well, but he's been average the first half of his season.

 

[HOPE]

Still a horrible trade. I would take Alex DeBrincat before him anyday ... That's why I hate Bergevin

Sam Girard also says HI!

 

[BaseballCoach]

Not sure we can throw a 18th vs 11th pick scenario here, many things would have had to or would have to happen, to many ifs. The way the race is right now, there’s no way we are going to just collapse. The best we can hope for is some playoff excitement. If we are concerning ourselves with draft positioning right now I think we are just wasting our time because it won’t change much. It’s playoffs or bust! Go Habs Go!

We had these conversations back in November. Some were jealous of Buffalo and how good they had become after sucking for 7 years. But now Buffalo is near the bottom yet again, and it's not because they are shrewd tankers but because the players they have aren't as good, collectively, as people thought. That drop in value is much bigger than the difference in draft rank is worth.

Therefore, TODAY, the Sabres' future looks worse than it did in November when people thought they would make the playoffs.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Sam Girard also says HI!

Who drafted Girard?

 

[Guns n Roses]

We had these conversations back in November. Some were jealous of Buffalo and how good they had become after sucking for 7 years. But now Buffalo is near the bottom yet again, and it's not because they are shrewd tankers but because the players they have aren't as good, collectively, as people thought. That drop in value is much bigger than the difference draft rank is worth.

Therefore, TODAY, the Sabres' future looks worse than it did in November when people thought they would make the playoffs.

Screw the draft, we have all the players we need minus 2 veteran NHL LDs and one of Duchene or Panarin, preferably Duchene.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Screw the draft, we have all the players we need minus 2 veteran NHL LDs and one of Duchene or Panarin, preferably Duchene.

It's not about ignoring the draft, however CONTEXT matters.

Right now, we have the equivalent of four first round picks not yet pro. Most teams have one or two. So, our pipeline is not empty, and there are another 10 picks this year to be made.

 

[HOPE]

Who drafted Girard?

nashville! I’m not sure i get your point?

 

[Guns n Roses]

It's not about ignoring the draft, however CONTEXT matters.

Right now, we have the equivalent of four first round picks not yet pro. Most teams have one or two. So, our pipeline is not empty, and there are another 10 picks this year to be made.

Exactly, we are beyond stacked right now at the prospect level, we need 2 x LD.

If we don’t get 2 NHL caliber LDs and an impactful top 6 forward we will never win a cup with this core.

 

[BaseballCoach]

nashville! I’m not sure i get your point?

I'm wondering if it's fair to just pick the best player available at that point and say the Habs would have drafted him had they not made the Shaw trade. Even DeBrincat might not have been the Habs' pick.

Second round picks have an expected value. You might get DeBrincat or Girard or Romanov (pick acquired FROM Chicago ironically), or you might get Sebastian Collberg, Zach Fucale or Dalton Thrower.

 

[HOPE]

I'm wondering if it's fair to just pick the best player available at that point and say the Habs would have drafted him had they not made the Shaw trade. Even DeBrincat might not have been the Habs' pick.

Second round picks have an expected value. You might get DeBrincat or Girard or Romanov (pick acquired FROM Chicago ironically), or you might get Sebastian Collberg, Zach Fucale or Dalton Thrower.

I still don’t get your who drafted girard comment, sounds like you were going to say he wasn’t available even if the shaw trade didn’t happen. I’m pretty sure i have read somewhere girard was in timmins radar.

 

[sharks9]

not really no.

He's red hot right now, playing very well, but he's been average the first half of his season.

He was bad the first 11 games, since then he has 38 points in 45 games and has been great.

 

[ECWHSWI]

He was bad the first 11 games, since then he has 38 points in 45 games and has been great.

thanks for correcting me, appears he was not average at the beginning of the season, he was bad.

 

[sharks9]

thanks for correcting me, appears he was not average at the beginning of the season, he was bad.

Yep, only for 11 games though. Saying he was average for half the season is an exaggeration

 

[ECWHSWI]

Yep, only for 11 games though. Saying he was average for half the season is an exaggeration

are you sure it's not 10.5 games ?



fyi, saying he was bad for 11 games is just an opinion not a fact, my stat watching friend!

 

[BaseballCoach]

thanks for correcting me, appears he was not average at the beginning of the season, he was bad.

Take the whole body of his work, good and bad.

He is the 87th forward in PPG which is low first line production. But centers are generally more productive than wingers. Among wingers, Shaw is 40th, when there are 62 first line wingers.

That's a good contributor.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Take the whole body of his work, good and bad.

He is the 87th forward in PPG which is low first line production. But centers are generally more productive than wingers. Among wingers, Shaw is 40th, when there are 62 first line wingers.

That's a good contributor.

don't know why you're tellinh me this, I am not the one who think he was bad...


wake up!

 

[Hostile Offer]

not really no.

He's red hot right now, playing very well, but he's been average the first half of his season.

He was an immediate fit for the Domi line when he was promoted to play there. It's not a honeymoon/hot stretch thing that sometimes comes with switching lines, him and Domi simply have chemistry. Been great to watch Shaw this year.

 

[ECWHSWI]

He was an immediate fit for the Domi line when he was promoted to play there. It's not a honeymoon/hot stretch thing that sometimes comes with switching lines, him and Domi simply have chemistry. Been great to watch Shaw this year.

so, he's a 60 pts player, he's not just "hot", I see...