Vesa Awesaka
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Anyone remember when Gerber's net got knocked off by a player on the other team and he got a penalty for it. He went nuts lol. I believe they even scored on the following PP too.
Confirmed with Link: Anderson re-signed (3 yrs, $4.2 AAV)
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The Waffler
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MainDotC
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Andy deserves every dollar and more. So long Lehner - enjoy life riding a bus.
Edit: Sorry I forgot about the recent signing of Lehner (I tend to try and put traumatic events out of my mind). This is a good deal to slowly work Lehner into the starting role, and it also leaves open an option for Lehner to be traded if he's still not ready in Andy's 4th year and then Andy can be re-signed again with a retirement deal. Either way I'm thrilled for Andy and I just hope our defence gets a little better this season - perhaps Cowen was just in a sophmore slump.
Edit: Sorry I forgot about the recent signing of Lehner (I tend to try and put traumatic events out of my mind). This is a good deal to slowly work Lehner into the starting role, and it also leaves open an option for Lehner to be traded if he's still not ready in Andy's 4th year and then Andy can be re-signed again with a retirement deal. Either way I'm thrilled for Andy and I just hope our defence gets a little better this season - perhaps Cowen was just in a sophmore slump.
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What's with the Lehner hate? He has tremendous potential. Carried Binghamton to a championship. They would have been out in 5 games in the first round if Brust was left in.
Having said that, love having Andy back. Nice to have two solid goalies.
BonkTastic
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Maindot's intense rage vs Lehner is probably the longest running gag/ trope on HFSens, now that "trade Spezza" is dead.
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He wants us to think it's a gag, but his hate for Lehner is what feeds his very soul and gets him out of bed every morning.
MainDotC
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I don't hate Lehner - I simply love the Sens and wish the best for them. Sens can win a cup with Andy between the pipes. Very similar structure to LA kings of a few years ago imho.
Sens have solidified the position for a few years. Andy 1A and Lehner 1B will probably flip in a year or 2 as to who gets the most action but I expect Lehner will get more games than last year this coming season. Really good value for 2 goalies who can win games. Some teams have a solid 1A but then there is a big dropoff when the backup steps in.
The Sens couldn't let Andy go without another solid option (like a cheaper Bishop type waiting in the wings if one was available). Planning for an unproven rookie or a career backup to be the 2nd goalie behind Lehner would have been too risky. The money is right and the term is right given the last year $$$s of the deal and the lack of a NMC. It's win win for all.
IMO BM and Dorion have done really well with the early July UFA, RFA and next season's pending UFA contract signings so far.
The Sens couldn't let Andy go without another solid option (like a cheaper Bishop type waiting in the wings if one was available). Planning for an unproven rookie or a career backup to be the 2nd goalie behind Lehner would have been too risky. The money is right and the term is right given the last year $$$s of the deal and the lack of a NMC. It's win win for all.
IMO BM and Dorion have done really well with the early July UFA, RFA and next season's pending UFA contract signings so far.
2 seasons before that it was hardly an Anderson/LEhner duo. Lehner had the 4th most games in an Ottawa uniform. Ottawa was 24th in GA and 18th in save percentage. That is hardly my definition of great.
1 season ago was 3 goalies, in a shortened season. The duo played a total of 36 games.
My point is before labeling them great, I want to see them play great. Their combined numbers over the last 3 years are not likely in the top half of the league. That is not what I call great. OK. Mediocre. Good maybe. Great? I reserve that for the top, not the middle.
Micklebot
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I posted this table in another thread, seems to speak to your concern;
Robin Lehner | 53 | 2976 | 0.921 | 1719 | 136 | 2269 | 0.9261 | 11.334 | 0.837
Craig Anderson | 140 | 7913 | 0.917 | 4274 | 355 | 6100 | 0.9259 | 10.402 | 0.77
Jonathan Bernier | 85 | 4742 | 0.92 | 2477 | 198 | 3733| 0.9282 | 10.145 | 0.729
James Reimer | 103 | 5520 | 0.912 | 3063 | 270 | 4355 | 0.923 | 11.144 | 0.859
OTT Duo| 193 | 10889 | 0.9181 | 5993 | 491 | 8370 | 0.9261 | 10.868 | .803
TOR Duo| 188 | 10262 | 0.9155 | 5540 | 468 | 8089 | 0.9254 | 10.645 | .794
Cross-reference that with with this link and you'll notice that a .918 sv% ranks at about 16th among all active goalies with over 30 games played over the last 3 seasons, which would be comfortably in the top half of the league for goalie tandems. For 5vs5 Sv%, they rank 20th and 21st amoung goalies with over 1500 5vs5 mins, which as a tandom likely is about middle of the pack with some teams like StLouis Was and Arz represented multiple time in the top half.
RedWhiteBlackGold
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I'm happy with this signing as it provides Lehner someone to continue learning from and gives him competition to earn the starting job. Lehner might be ready to take over completely in a year or two but until he gets to that point we have Andy to help out.
I love this signing. The Sens will not be a team that relies on top end talent or superstars. Instead they will rely on depth and solid team play with all players contributing at both ends of the ice.
We've now solidified our goaltending depth for the next 4 years with a reasonable combined cap hit. The duo also has a nice blend of experience and potential, setting us up well for the future.
I know many people are concerned, but I really like the direction this team is heading. I think this team is going to surprise people this season.
Early predictions: Sens will finish between 5th and 8th this year and upset in the first round before losing in the 2nd. Both series will be battles.
We've now solidified our goaltending depth for the next 4 years with a reasonable combined cap hit. The duo also has a nice blend of experience and potential, setting us up well for the future.
I know many people are concerned, but I really like the direction this team is heading. I think this team is going to surprise people this season.
Early predictions: Sens will finish between 5th and 8th this year and upset in the first round before losing in the 2nd. Both series will be battles.
No offense, but being better than Toronto does not make me think these two are great
But this may come down to my definition of great. Great to me would be the top 10%. That is, top 3 in the league. It would be something like this :
Top 10% - Great
Top 25 - 10 - Very Good
Top 40 - 25 - Solid
Top 60 - 40 - Mediocre
Top 85 - 60 - poor
Last 15% - Terrible
But for a little exercise, tell me how many teams in the league you would trade our goaltending tandem straight up for theirs?
Personally I am at 10. That in my mind is tandems that are clearly better. I have a lot of perhaps in there.
My issue is not really with the signing, thats OK. It is labeling this tandem as great. If this is what the definition is great is, then Ottawa had a great year last year. I personally have a much higher threshold for the word great.
It's not like we didn't have the cap space? The only problem I see is if down the line there is a real #1 and a #2 and the #2 doesn't like it as has happened quite a bit with other teams recently. If that's the case, I don't see either contract being prohibitive from being traded.
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HavlatMach9
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i don't think the numbers captured accurately how the our goalies played last year. they were both great but let down by the overall defensive play of the team
BonHoonLayneCornell
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I thought the goalies played their part in our poor play last year as well, I certainly wouldn't say they played great.
Do Make Say Think
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I'd blame the team defense far more than the goalies for last year if I had to blame one over the other
Micklebot
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The table was originally posted in a thread comparing Tor's tandem to ours, I just pulled the whole thing because the numbers were relevant here.No offense, but being better than Toronto does not make me think these two are great
I think calling only the top 10% (ie top 3 teams) great might be a bit of a high standard. I'd equate that to elite, but otherwise I agree that the standard for great might be being set too low by some.
As for your excercise of trading our tandem for another teams, it's tough to say. If your're looking for right now, the starter is all that matters. If your looking for the next 3 years, the starter still makes up the bulk of the importance, if you're looking any further, many teams will have a different makeup, so projections become far less reliable.
For what it's worth, there are very few if any backups/prospect goalies I'd swap Lehner for (Gibson would be tempting for example, but I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger). As for swaping Andy, there are about 5 or 6 guys that I wouldn't hesitate, then a few of guys that I'd lean towards because of age, and then some guys that you could build a case for either way. For what it's worth, Anderson has very good playoff numbers which make him more appealing imo.
MainDotC
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This. Regardless of Melnyk's internal budget Sens had plenty of cap room. And plenty more for Methot and Ryan.
Xspyrit
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Just realized that I'm going to miss reading "trade Spezza", joking or not.
100% right
And numbers are with you on this...
They just both were very cold for a longer stretch (18 games) than usual.
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aragorn
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I like the signing because it does create stability in goal & forces Lehner to compete for the #1 job which Anderson is in no hurry to give up, so Lehner has to fight for it.
- it's a decent contract & easily moved if need be but not so much a burden if Lehner takes over the #1 role.
- I expect with the forwards signed that Ottawa will be a good back checking team, while they may not score as much as previous yrs I do think they will reduce goals against significantly.
- I also expect that the defence will be much better this yr & reduce the shots against as well as the goals against.
- the overall team play should be more defensive oriented reducing the goals against but if they can add another top 6 scoring forward that could go a long way to replacing any offence that is percieved to now be missing or develop it internally with players like Zibanejad, Hoffman, Stone & Puempel.
- it's a decent contract & easily moved if need be but not so much a burden if Lehner takes over the #1 role.
- I expect with the forwards signed that Ottawa will be a good back checking team, while they may not score as much as previous yrs I do think they will reduce goals against significantly.
- I also expect that the defence will be much better this yr & reduce the shots against as well as the goals against.
- the overall team play should be more defensive oriented reducing the goals against but if they can add another top 6 scoring forward that could go a long way to replacing any offence that is percieved to now be missing or develop it internally with players like Zibanejad, Hoffman, Stone & Puempel.
I blame the failure to make the playoffs on, in no particular order, the following factors combined:
- poor goaltending and low save percentage
- poor defence-men play in defensive zone
- poor back-checking and defensive zone coverage by the forwards
- too many penalties resulting in too many penalty killing situations
- poor penalty killing
I hope the team addresses those issues next year. I think they can, and expect the Senators to make the playoffs, provided that they retain Ryan and Methot.
DrakeAndJosh
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I like this signing a lot. We have two goalies who are as good as the best in the league when they're hot (and can both be brutal when they're cold). If Maclean isn't stubborn and rides the hot goalie we will be in a good situation, if he gets caught up in the #1 goalie crap though it's gonna get old fast.
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