Anders Lee Gets Kronwalled

[Martinez]

Just a really good hit. No need to discuss if every hit is dirty or not.

 

[TheMule93]

I mean yeah. It was illegal contact to the head.

Let me redirect you to the official rule

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted. In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be considered:
(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable.
(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way that significantly contributed to the head contact.

 

[wingnutks]

It doesn't matter what happened a half second earlier. Head contact is legal if it's unavoidable in an otherwise solid body check.

They should seriously sticky this at the top of this forum but here's Rule 48.1 Illegal Check to the Head. I've bolded the relevant portion.

You do realize unavoidable means unavoidable right? Like if Lee suddenly fell and drastically changed the level of his head. The same reason a hit from behind is "OK" of the player getting hit shows their back at the last second. Lee's head never changed, Kronwall put his shoulder directly thru his face. I dont think Kronwall was some monster on that hit, but definitely not 100% clean

 

[BalButtercluck]

As an Isles fan, I just hope Lee is okay. That one has the quiet room written all over it.

 

[wingnutks]

Let me redirect you to the official rule

I stand corrected...that part of the rule makes it OK

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You do realize unavoidable means unavoidable right? Like if Lee suddenly fell and drastically changed the level of his head. The same reason a hit from behind is "OK" of the player getting hit shows their back at the last second. Lee's head never changed, Kronwall put his shoulder directly thru his face. I dont think Kronwall was some monster on that hit, but definitely not 100% clean

It was.

 

[WesMcCauley]

This is a tough one. I don’t think Kronwall intended to get him in the face but because Lee put himself in that position and had his head down that’s wear the contact was. Still but the rules it should have been a penalty.

Shoulder directly to face.

Kronwall is the best at those hits. And the majority of them are always clean.

Ye you have a good point. The difficult thing with a hit like this is what is the rule? Are we at the point where any contact with the head is deserving of a penalty of suspension?

The hit was almost as clean as it could get when he decided to hit him but when Lee has his head down who is responsible?

Only thing for Kronwall to do to avoid some contact with the head is to not hit him at all. Have we removed all accountability by the player with the puck in situations like this one?

I love these Kronwall hits and dont want them gone but i also understand that its dangerous. I also think Lee is responsible and he had his head down and was not close to looking around at what might come. Kronwall had his arms pretty tucked and led with his shoulder, i think its clean but i have no clue where the league is right now with hits like this one.

 

[SoupGuru]

Someone posted the rule so helpfully. You can't hit a player in the head if it's unavoidable. Kronwall can't hit Lee without hitting the head first. That's Lee's fault.

I still think Kronwall should have let up a little. Even if it's legal, who wants to end a player's career?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Its not a straight up dirty hit. However Lee's head level didnt quickly or drastically change during that sequence. Its not like he dropped his head at the last minute. Its boarderline for sure.

No it is a BEAUTIFUL textbook hit. We only see these once a year now.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

You do realize unavoidable means unavoidable right? Like if Lee suddenly fell and drastically changed the level of his head. The same reason a hit from behind is "OK" of the player getting hit shows their back at the last second. Lee's head never changed, Kronwall put his shoulder directly thru his face. I dont think Kronwall was some monster on that hit, but definitely not 100% clean

You're leaving out "in an otherwise full bodycheck" before the unavoidable part.

Kronwall made a legal and full check to the body. The head contact was a result of Lee putting himself in a vulnerable position by having his head down or in other words "assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable."

 

[seabass45]

Keep your head up kid

This is weird because Lee doesn’t play dumb, is constantly in the dirty areas and knows what to expect. What happened here is instinct and unless i’m mistaken, i don’t think he’s ever had a concussion.

So... i don’t get the whole thing with blaming the injured on a play like this.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Someone posted the rule so helpfully. You can't hit a player in the head if it's unavoidable. Kronwall can't hit Lee without hitting the head first. That's Lee's fault.

I still think Kronwall should have let up a little. Even if it's legal, who wants to end a player's career?

And what happens if Kronwall lets up, Lee picks his head up, jumps around him, and the Islanders score?

 

[cliffclaven]

I’m surprised he didn’t get 5 and a game. I hate kronwall but that’s a beauty.

 

[seabass45]

Anyway, Lee is still out.

 

[AKL]

This is weird because Lee doesn’t play dumb, is constantly in the dirty areas and knows what to expect. What happened here is instinct and unless i’m mistaken, i don’t think he’s ever had a concussion.

So... i don’t get the whole thing with blaming the injured on a play like this.

You don’t get why people are saying Lee has to keep his head up?

Is he injured right now? If yes, that’s why you keep your head up.

 

[DeYarmond Edison]

This is weird because Lee doesn’t play dumb, is constantly in the dirty areas and knows what to expect. What happened here is instinct and unless i’m mistaken, i don’t think he’s ever had a concussion.

So... i don’t get the whole thing with blaming the injured on a play like this.

I mean yeah it was definitely instinct but I’m not sure how that’s relevant. Maybe Kronwall should’ve just let him skate by?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

No it is a BEAUTIFUL textbook hit. We only see these once a year now.

Haven't we seen like 3 in the past 2 days though? Ovi vs. Vegas, Dumba and now this.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

beauty hit! Need more of those.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Haven't we seen like 3 in the past 2 days though? Ovi vs. Vegas, Dumba and now this.

True. Before that? It seems like most players are actively avoiding hits these days.

 

[SI90]

Ye you have a good point. The difficult thing with a hit like this is what is the rule? Are we at the point where any contact with the head is deserving of a penalty of suspension?

The hit was almost as clean as it could get when he decided to hit him but when Lee has his head down who is responsible?

Only thing for Kronwall to do to avoid some contact with the head is to not hit him at all. Have we removed all accountability by the player with the puck in situations like this one?

I love these Kronwall hits and dont want them gone but i also understand that its dangerous. I also think Lee is responsible and he had his head down and was not close to looking around at what might come. Kronwall had his arms pretty tucked and led with his shoulder, i think its clean but i have no clue where the league is right now with hits like this one.

I agree that if Lee’s Head was up it would have been shoulder to chest. The way I understood the rule is any time the head is the principal point of contact it’s a penalty.

I love these hits as well.

Should have been a 2 min penalty. No major and no suspension

 

[AKL]

I agree that if Lee’s Head was up it would have been shoulder to chest. The way I understood the rule is any time the head is the principal point of contact it’s a penalty.

I love these hits as well.

Should have been a 2 min penalty. No major and no suspension

No penalty. It's a clean and legal hit.

Kronwall couldn't have hit him without contacting the head because Lee put himself in a bad position. That's not Kronwall's fault.

 

[gorangers0525]

Main point of contact does not mean the first point of contact. That was a textbook hit.

 

[SI90]

No penalty. It's a clean and legal hit.

Kronwall couldn't have hit him without contacting the head because Lee put himself in a bad position. That's not Kronwall's fault.

That’s fine but isn’t the rule no matter what contact to the head is a penalty?

 

[CodeE]

Kronwall lead with the shoulder, principal point of contact was the head because Lee had his head down. Brutal hit but it's a lawful one. Really hope Anders is okay.

 

[RedMenace]

I agree that if Lee’s Head was up it would have been shoulder to chest. The way I understood the rule is any time the head is the principal point of contact it’s a penalty.

I love these hits as well.

Should have been a 2 min penalty. No major and no suspension

Understandable from an Islanders' fan perspective. Can't agree as a Wings fan, but that's what makes the world go 'round.