Agreed. Everyone looks at the Goodrow deal and wonders why we couldn't get a higher pick, but everyone thinks that Goodrow trade was terrible for Tampa. I think the best we could have hoped for was a 3rd. Remove the Goodrow trade and a 4th is exactly in line with this year's market.
Confirmed with Link: [ANA/PHI] Derek Grant for Kyle Criscuolo and 2020 4th round pick
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Agreed. Everyone looks at the Goodrow deal and wonders why we couldn't get a higher pick, but everyone thinks that Goodrow trade was terrible for Tampa. I think the best we could have hoped for was a 3rd. Remove the Goodrow trade and a 4th is exactly in line with this year's market.
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But at the same time, I'd have rather kept Grant if all we were getting is a 4th rounder. We have a much better chance of re-signing him if he stays on the roster the rest of the season. Yes, Bob may have tried to see what his agent was looking for and figured he had no shot, but things change. So instead of keeping him around and maybe holding on to him for the future, we acquired a pick that will turn into a guy who has a 10% chance of being a 4th liner in 2025.
MMC
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As I’ve said, he really isn’t needed next year with all of our current options. Yes he probably will produce more than any of them but we aren’t nearly good enough to where it matters how much our 4C really produces. Just need guys who can play their roles.
The Mighty Duck Man
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I'd bet against staying in Philly. He's just a placeholder right now on the third line and they need their cap space. My money's on Columbus.
Dr Johnny Fever
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I won't argue something that neither of us knows the details of. I'll just repeat that Bob has little experience selling at the deadline. We don't know what he might have passed up earlier.
The Mighty Duck Man
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This is trying way too hard. When you're baselessly speculating on something like that despite all the evidence to the contrary, its probably time to reevaluate some things.
Dr Johnny Fever
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Please provide all the evidence of the options Bob had. I'll wait....
The Mighty Duck Man
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LMAO its been presented. We know what other, similar players went for at the deadline. That's the best we'll get and pretty much the only thing we can go on. Anything else is just what you want to believe.
Gotta hand it to you though for having the audacity to not only ask for evidence but throw out an "I'll wait" when your own entire argument is more or less fan fiction. That takes something else.
70sSanO
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Yeah, if I'm having cap issues the last thing I want is a solid center who wins face-offs and will probably end up as a 25 point guy for $700K.
John
The Mighty Duck Man
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Well the idea is that he's gonna get more than the league minimum this time around. It's not that Philly wouldn't want him back but that he's gonna move on just like he might've/would've here.
70sSanO
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How’d that work out in Pittsburg?
Not saying he won’t, or doesn’t deserve, more than the minimum that he’s gotten for years, but he probably will take $1.5 and be happy. He has had limited success outside the Ducks... and now maybe Philly.
He did get another assist tonight.
John
MMC
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You realize value goes up and teams start to offer more closer to the deadline right?
Dr Johnny Fever
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You do realize that if you wait too long thinking that, you sometimes find yourself with a shrinking market of buyers? When you’re selling something that’s time sensitive and has an expiration there’s an art to getting top dollar. Especially when you are not the only seller. Nobody will ever admit it, but I guarantee you there are GMs who have turned down offers they later regretted. It happens.
The Mighty Duck Man
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Well this isnt 2018 anymore either. He's not a journeyman AAAA player who had 0 career goals up until that season anymore. Hes scored consistently enough and developed into a very good all around bottom six center who can play both special teams unit. Last time his payday fell through, this time it's hard to see that happening again.
The Mighty Duck Man
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All of this can be true but theres little reason to think it happened here. The deal wasn't at the buzzer, it was very early on in the day and was probably right there the night before at the very least. Theres also no one similar who went for more and that holds true for a lot longer than deadline day. If someone offered a third or more for Grant they probably offered it for someone else and yet nothing like that materialized.
The simplest answer is typically the right one and the simplest answer here is that no one was paying high prices for rental forwards of any ilk and bottom sixers were no different. Many people, myself included, thought that after a bunch of defensemen went for decent prices that it meant buyers were paying up, added in a couple David Poile trades to justify why a team would pay up for a 4th line center, and convinced ourselves it could be a real score and we were clearly wrong.
I like Derek Grant and would be happy to have him on the ducks on a reasonable contract. But anyone who thinks that having Derek Grant on the roster materially moves the needle for this team in the next 2 years is just being emotional. It is very similar to when Cogs was traded - likable useful player but not a part of the core going forward.
Also, i believe that Grant's agent said he was going to test FA. This is his one time he might be able to get a good contract and he should take that opportunity. Give him credit for putting himself in this position and wish him the best. He may still come back to the Ducks.
I would guess BM had discussions about an extension with him and decided the best for both is to trade him for an asset. Could the Ducks got more, maybe, but we dont know if this was the only team willing to trade for him.
I would guess BM had discussions about an extension with him and decided the best for both is to trade him for an asset. Could the Ducks got more, maybe, but we dont know if this was the only team willing to trade for him.
