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Perreault always reminded me of Rakell, and now I can add “getting traded by Pat Verbeek” to the list of similarities
Caufield's a shooter that has pretty much worked out tho but yeahSo true...and it's amazing that they generally can't get their shot off when they get to higher levels of competition. Makes me wonder if Eiserman is going to be Perreault-like or more able to get his shot off like Caufield can.
Well, at least Mysak is on contract next season and waiver exempt. Sounds like he is a hard worker who will help the Gulls. It seems like Perreault was always injured.
Perreault’s just another great example of what some of us are emphasizing a lot with the drafting - there were some nice players we missed out on who were drafted after him.
He wasn’t a good pick, there were all kinds of motivation questions and even hockey IQ. The only thing we knew he had was a shot. Def not a Verbeek type
There were some red flags regarding Perreault before the draft that were ultimately spot on. No amount of development could have fixed them.
Except that the red flag for Perreault was motivation (i.e. laziness) issues. In other words, a poor work ethic. The Ducks went for need and took him b/c of his shot. Maybe they were making up for passing on Kaliyev but it was a poor reason to draft Perreault if that was the case. As much as I criticize PV's drafting, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have passed on Perreault.This is weird. The draft year before Perreault, everyone was mad that we didn't select Arthur Kaliyev. Kaliyev had a great shot, but the lack of motor drive caused him to drop. That's Perreault's profile pre-draft too.
It's our org's job to help cultivate that talent. There was talent showing in Perreault's first years with org as an 18 and 19-year old. Why didn't the development continue? Part of it is Perreault's inability to stay healthy, but part of it is the org.
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- 2020-21
- Head Coach: Dineen
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.602, 3rd in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: The AHL held no playoff games due to COVID.
- 2021-22
- Head Coach: Bouchard
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.463, 7th in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: Yes
- 2022-23
- Head Coach: Sommer
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.299, 10th (last) in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: No
- 2023-24
- Head Coach: McIlvane
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.462, 9th in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: n/a (still in season)
If it were not for Dostal giving the org a heads up on Suchanek, who is on an AHL contract (no ELC from any NHL team), the Gulls would have a far worse record.
Players who are truly NHL calibre find ways to get there regardless of the coach. I actually think the fact that he did have a few different coaches almost makes it look worse because at least one of those guys (perhaps more) almost certainly knew how to use him. I’m confident Mcilvane knows what he’s doing when I see guys like Zell and Regenda doing well.This is weird. The draft year before Perreault, everyone was mad that we didn't select Arthur Kaliyev. Kaliyev had a great shot, but the lack of motor drive caused him to drop. That's Perreault's profile pre-draft too.
It's our org's job to help cultivate that talent. There was talent showing in Perreault's first years with org as an 18 and 19-year old. Why didn't the development continue? Part of it is Perreault's inability to stay healthy, but part of it is the org.
View attachment 831423
- 2020-21
- Head Coach: Dineen
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.602, 3rd in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: The AHL held no playoff games due to COVID.
- 2021-22
- Head Coach: Bouchard
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.463, 7th in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: Yes
- 2022-23
- Head Coach: Sommer
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.299, 10th (last) in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: No
- 2023-24
- Head Coach: McIlvane
- Pts %: Gulls had Pts % of 0.462, 9th in the Pacific.
- Playoffs: n/a (still in season)
If it were not for Dostal giving the org a heads up on Suchanek, who is on an AHL contract (no ELC from any NHL team), the Gulls would have a far worse record.
Players who are truly NHL calibre find ways to get there regardless of the coach. I actually think the fact that he did have a few different coaches almost makes it look worse because at least one of those guys (perhaps more) almost certainly knew how to use him. I’m confident Mcilvane knows what he’s doing when I see guys like Zell and Regenda doing well.
Honestly I think that’s why Perreault was finally traded this year. You can make a good argument that even last year would’ve been appropriate to cut the cord, there was just nothing too exciting happening with him and he would’ve had 2.5 years of AHL experience. Now with Pat having his own guy SD, and Perreault still not showing much, it was the final straw I’m guessing.
10. Jan Mysak, C/LW, 20 (Laval Rocket)
I’ve watched a lot of Jan Mysak over the years and I thought, after his dominant standout performance at this summer’s world juniors that he was going to step back into the AHL for a second stint with Laval and figure it out. That didn’t mean become a top point producer and enter the call-up conversation or anything. Though it feels like he has been around forever, his summer birthday means that he just turned 20 at the end of June. But I thought he’d be a regular contributor and build from there.
One of my favourites from the 2020 draft, Mysak is someone I was admittedly a little too high on. But he still has a lot of endearing qualities and pro tools. He’s an attacking player who can make individual skill plays and works hard off the puck to stay above it, fulfill his defensive responsibilities, and make things happen on the penalty kill (he was one of the most dangerous players in the OHL short-handed).
He’s always driving, attacking the net and cutting to the inside. He enters the zone on angles. He can make soft little plays through a layer or two. When he’s looking to get off the perimeter, he’s a highly-entertaining player whose game is dynamic one-on-one and has shown time and time again an ability to break a game open with a flash of skill against his peers, whether that’s a dash to the net, a slick deke, or a heavy wrister from mid-range. Though his production didn’t pop last year in Hamilton, it would have on any team other than Hamilton (where he was the third-line centre behind Mason McTavish and Logan Morrison on the OHL champions).
He attacks in waves, plays a straight-line game (I’d like to see his game flash east-to-west a little more), is quick from a standstill (and through his stride to an impressive top speed), and uses space well when he doesn’t have the puck. He’s also just as dangerous off the rush as he is inside the offensive zone.
He’s not a sure thing but he’s a better player than the numbers suggest and I’ve always admired his effort level on the forecheck even when the points aren’t coming. I still believe, with the pace he’s capable of playing at, his ability to stay around it, his commitment off the puck, and his skill level (he’s got the quick release, he’s got the soft touch on his forehand and backhand passes, etc.), that he’s going to figure it out and work his way into the call-up conversation eventually. Some of his struggles producing in the AHL are about opportunity. Some of it, I think, is him just needing to get out of his head.
not a bad comparison, but I think there are two significant differences. Raks was far ahead of where Perreault is at the same age. 1) I think the Ducks really let Rakell take his time and it paid off - They didn’t need to push Perreault into the AHL that soon, same with Drysdale. 2) I think Rakell is a pretty bright player especially offensively. (The funny thing about him is people were saying he’d be a good defensive player but his offense was questioned, when in fact it kinda turned out to be the complete opposite for him). I don’t think Perreault thinks the game like Raks did, who was a pretty good playmaker as well.Perreault always reminded me of Rakell, and now I can add “getting traded by Pat Verbeek” to the list of similarities
I think he was a lot more like a smaller version of Sprong.Perreault always reminded me of Rakell, and now I can add “getting traded by Pat Verbeek” to the list of similarities
He was solid for the Dogs but started to slow down in his last year due to injuries.
I think he has a scoring touch that he can improve on if given the right spot. Maybe he can work out with McTavish in the off season
Except that the red flag for Perreault was motivation (i.e. laziness) issues. In other words, a poor work ethic. The Ducks went for need and took him b/c of his shot. Maybe they were making up for passing on Kaliyev but it was a poor reason to draft Perreault if that was the case. As much as I criticize PV's drafting, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have passed on Perreault.
And not everyone was pissed about passing on Kaliyev. His skating issues were real. I think most people were just stunned that they took Tracey. Although, in hindsight, almost any pick - Kaliyev included - would have been better than Tracey.
I'll grant that covid and the OHL shutting down really put Perreault and the Ducks in a difficult situation. He shouldn't have been playing pro hockey at 18 but there was really no alternative. The Ducks would have probably been better suited sending him back to junior for his D+2 season IMO. Whatever the situation, he clearly wasn't progressing and PV cut bait without getting much back. Less than 4 years after being drafted he's a bust.Perreault had top-10 talent, but the lack of motor playing defense wasn't there in juniors pre-draft. Perreault's got a great shot, sneaky passing, and has wheels. We got him at 27th overall, which is a good gamble.
When Perreault got here, there were never any issues of laziness. The problem Perreault ran into was being 18-years old in the AHL due to the OHL not re-opening. Perreault got injured in his D+1 season, but he still was able to put up a 0.63 ppg rate as an 18-year old. His 19-year old season, D+2, he had a 0.67 ppg rate in 55 games. He got called up to the NHL for a game as a reward, which Tracey did too. (Tracey went from 0 pts in 12 games to 31 pts in 55 games, a0.56 ppg rate.)
Everything is pointing upwards for Perreault and Tracey at the end of the 2021-22 season. Verbeek took charge of the org at All-star break. The AHL roster and team got worse. Perreault and Tracey are complementary wingers and the Gulls didn't have top talent to help those two out. When BO Groulx is your 1C, then you know you've f***ed up.
Again, there was developing talent with Perreault and Tracey until Verbeek became GM. Both of their careers headed downwards in ensuing seasons. I'd say our org let those two down in development, but Perreault has not been a durable player. Is Perreault's durability the lack of training in the off-season or what?
Tracey's been durable and has expanded his game to play as a 3rd liner. His defense has improved between last year and this year. Murray took a big swing on Tracey, passing on Kaliyev in the 2019 draft. I can't say anything b/c I wanted Thrun at 29th overall. We still got Thrun, but in the 4th round. What a drop for Thrun b/c of slow skating issues.
Everything is pointing upwards for Perreault and Tracey at the end of the 2021-22 season. Verbeek took charge of the org at All-star break. The AHL roster and team got worse. Perreault and Tracey are complementary wingers and the Gulls didn't have top talent to help those two out. When BO Groulx is your 1C, then you know you've f***ed up.
Again, there was developing talent with Perreault and Tracey until Verbeek became GM. Both of their careers headed downwards in ensuing seasons. I'd say our org let those two down in development, but Perreault has not been a durable player. Is Perreault's durability the lack of training in the off-season or what?
Perreault: 161 games, 91 points.
Mysak: 110 games, 31 points.
This is fine.
Neither of them is looking like an offensive producer at the next level, so I'd rather have the guy who has traits that may lend to a depth role. The most likely result is a nothing for nothing trade.
Isn’t regenda a ufa this season could’ve sworn his contract was only two yearsThis also better balances out SD, if you look at the young guys who are going to be on the team next year, they could have Tracey, Pastujov, Nesterenko, Regenda, Caulfield, King, Myatovic, Hvidston, Pitre, and Sidorov all at wing and only Gaucher, Mysak, and Lopina at C
RFAIsn’t regenda a ufa this season could’ve sworn his contract was only two years