All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread VI - We have goalies, but can they stay healthy?

[spockBokk]

We have like 30-40 legitimate prospects. If trading Rees can help make our club better right now, you can't be afraid to pull a trigger.

A question mark like Tarasenko ain’t it

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

A question mark like Tarasenko ain’t it

I'm all for question marks and mystery boxes. If you don't occasionally make those gambles, you risk having a worse team on the ice than last season, especially when you just let a very good, arguably-elite defenseman get a massive contract with a division rival. It's also compounded by the fact that every other club that has expressed interest in him are also Metro Division clubs. We all know how good Tarasenko can be, and IMO being too risk-averse to act and letting another Metro club trade for him would be a huge and unnecessary own-goal.

 

[Chrispy]

If the back surgery rumor is true, I'd just LTIR him. Take the full cap hit (or at least the vast bulk of it) for Vlad. No need to dump salary if you don't have to.

Can you use LTIR before the season starts? I thought they needed to be cap compliant to start the season and then put Gardiner on LTIR.

And this obviously depends upon Gardiner getting surgery; the rumor earlier this offseason was that Gardiner was opposed to surgery.

 

[Canes]

We have like 30-40 legitimate prospects. If trading Rees can help make our club better right now, you can't be afraid to pull a trigger.

30-40? lol, maybe if you define legitimate as... having a pulse and currently signed or recently drafted by a NHL team I guess.

But otherwise I agree with your premise. I'd trade Rees easily for the right player but a guy with a 7.5 million dollar cap hit who has only played 42 games and scored 9 goals in the last two years is probably not my idea of right player.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Can you use LTIR before the season starts? I thought they needed to be cap compliant to start the season and then put Gardiner on LTIR.

And this obviously depends upon Gardiner getting surgery; the rumor earlier this offseason was that Gardiner was opposed to surgery.

Two options with LTIR, off-season and in-season.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

30-40? lol, maybe if you define legitimate as... having a pulse and currently signed or recently drafted by a NHL team I guess.

But otherwise I agree with your premise. I'd trade Rees easily for the right player but a guy with a 7.5 million dollar cap hit who has only played 42 games and scored 9 goals in the last two years is probably not my idea of right player.

When I say that the Canes have 30-40 legitimate prospects, what I mean is that our B-group, aka. our potentially NHL-projectable guys, is so large that at least 30 of them have an argument for being in our top-20 prospect list. That's quite remarkable no matter how you slice it, and it'll certainly make for some entertaining trade deadlines.

 

[spockBokk]

I’m all for the acquisition of a guy like Reinhart or Boeser or the like. Granted those type may or may not be on the market at any time, but I’d much prefer to pay for one of those type players over a soon to be 30yr old whose bloated cap hit makes keeping the Canes’ own core together tougher than it needs to be.

Gambles are fine, but to me, Tarasenko should only be an option at a dirt cheap price.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I’m all for the acquisition of a guy like Reinhart or Boeser or the like. Granted those type may or may not be on the market at any time, but I’d much prefer to pay for one of those type players over a soon to be 30yr old whose bloated cap hit makes keeping the Canes’ own core together tougher than it needs to be.

Gambles are fine, but to me, Tarasenko should only be an option at a dirt cheap price.

Reinhart's already been traded, and Dim Jim would have to be even dumber than I had thought to even think about putting Boeser on the trade market. There's a reason why productive, 24-year-old wingers don't make it on the block. You improve the club, IMO, with guys that are realistically available. Maybe Dvorak or Keller will be available for trade sooner than I expect, but at least right now, I don't think Bill Armstrong wants to trade away young, cost-controlled players out of Arizona just yet. Garland was dealt because of his RFA/Arbitration-eligible status.

 

[spockBokk]

Reinhart's already been traded, and Dim Jim would have to be even dumber than I had thought to even think about putting Boeser on the trade market. There's a reason why productive, 24-year-old wingers don't make it on the block. You improve the club, IMO, with guys that are realistically available.

Those were just 2 examples of recent young wingers on the block in past seasons. Those are the type of guys they should be willing to part with prime picks/prospects for, not 30 year old wingers with questionable health.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Those were just 2 examples of recent young wingers on the block in past seasons. Those are the type of guys they should be willing to part with prime picks/prospects for, not 30 year old wingers with questionable health.

I don't call Jamieson Rees or Jesper Sellgren "prime prospects". They were very good draft picks at the slots that they were taken, and IMO both have NHL-projectable games, but they both are likely role players and not stars in the NHL. To me, those are the kind of prospects that should be used as chips for a Tarasenko trade. I'm not talking about Seth Jarvis or even the Suzuki/Bokk/Drury tier of prospect.

 

[spockBokk]

I don't call Jamieson Rees or Jesper Sellgren "prime prospects". They were very good draft picks at the slots that they were taken, and IMO both have NHL-projectable games, but they both are likely role players and not stars in the NHL. To me, those are the kind of prospects that should be used as chips for a Tarasenko trade. I'm not talking about Seth Jarvis or even the Suzuki/Bokk/Drury tier of prospect.

We’ll have to agree on Sellgren, but disagree on Rees. I like him better than Suzuki to make an NHL impact.

Certainly not all of the current prospect pool will break into the league as Canes, but I see no reason at all to waste valuable prospect capital on Tarasenko.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

We’ll have to agree on Sellgren, but disagree on Rees. I like him better than Suzuki to make an NHL impact.

Certainly not all of the current prospect pool will break into the league as Canes, but I see no reason at all to waste valuable prospect capital on Tarasenko.

I'm very, very high on Suzuki, more so than Rees. I think that he can become a top-6er if things break correctly. He's got a ton of offensive skill, just hasn't translated to mind-blowing AHL numbers yet...but only at age 19-20, when he wasn't even supposed to be in the A, as a caveat.

 

[mikeyfan]

Necas highlight reel

 

[the halleJOKEL]

Necas highlight reel

necas/aho highlight reel

 

[mikeyfan]

Call me crazy but I would love to see our lines look like this
Necas Aho. Tevo

Svech. Trocheck Nino

JK. Staal. Fast

Lorenze. Stephan Martinook

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Call me crazy but I would love to see our lines look like this
Necas Aho. Tevo

Svech. Trocheck Nino

JK. Staal. Fast

Lorenze. Stephan Martinook

Ill say crazy. We need some muscle/ size on the first line. If not we’ll have open ice runs at Necas and Aho

 

[mikeyfan]

Understand but teams have to be able to keep up too and those three always seem to know where the others are at, at all times.

 

[htdoc]

Pure own opinion…. But We arent paying Svech $7.75m to be on secondary scoring line. I expect he will be on top line most of the season on right wing. Who plays on the left of Aho will be the experiment, IMO…. We can go heavier (at least for us) and more gritty with Nino. We can go more playmaker and have Turbo (who also covers defensively and let’s Aho and Svech press and pinch more)…. Or we see about speedy, creative play by having Necas up there if he is in one of his streaks and if we are going and the team we are playing against is one where we can open the ice and aren’t smothered and we can let those necas / Aho highlight reel stuff happen…

 

[robbieberns]

I don’t think Necas has ever played LW in his life and I don’t think there’s a forward out there less suited to playing his offside than Nino. Hate to be a stick in the mud about positions but it’s not as simple as putting names where you like them, and voila!

 

[MinJaBen]

If we get Kotkaniemi, I think we should try this to see how it clicks:

Aho, Kotkaniemi, Turbo
Svech, Tro, Nachos
Nino, Staal, Fast
Marty, Stephan, Lorentz

I would give this a go to see how he can play center between to guys that click together. Given him the best chance to succeed. I'd do this the entire preseason and the first several games of the regular to see if it can work. We know the other guys can play well together, so if it needs to change pretty early, so be it. But give it a chance to help our top six and help his growth in the role we want him to play. Putting him as a wing on Staal's line or the fourth line is safe, but also doesn't give him the tools to grow.

I have no expectation that this will happen.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If we get Kotkaniemi, I think we should try this to see how it clicks:

Aho, Kotkaniemi, Turbo
Svech, Tro, Nachos
Nino, Staal, Fast
Marty, Stephan, Lorentz

I would give this a go to see how he can play center between to guys that click together. Given him the best chance to succeed. I'd do this the entire preseason and the first several games of the regular to see if it can work. We know the other guys can play well together, so if it needs to change pretty early, so be it. But give it a chance to help our top six and help his growth in the role we want him to play. Putting him as a wing on Staal's line or the fourth line is safe, but also doesn't give him the tools to grow.

I have no expectation that this will happen.

I like that lineup a lot. And for all the talk we've heard about how Kotkaniemi sucks at wing, I wouldn't hesitate to roll that line as Kotakniemi - Aho - Teravainen to see what happens. That would be by far the best set of linemates he's ever had, a situation where there at least superficially seems to be a lot of potential chemistry, and a situation where it's really a lot more like F1/F2/F3 rather than LW/C/RW. If it doesn't work, you can easily swap it back to A-K-T without disrupting the rest of the lineup.

Also, Svech-Trocheck-Necas could potentially be a Globetrotters highlight reel, and Nino-Staal-Fast is a heavy-duty matchup line.

Kind of drooling over that setup tbh.

 

[ONO94]

Call me crazy but I would love to see our lines look like this
Necas Aho. Tevo

Svech. Trocheck Nino

JK. Staal. Fast

Lorenze. Stephan Martinook

All too appropriate for a team in the Southeast to have a TAN line....

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

We have like 30-40 legitimate prospects. If trading Rees can help make our club better right now, you can't be afraid to pull a trigger.

Rees himself can help make our club better if not right now then very soon. His type of game is exactly what we need in our middle 6 to replace guys like Foegele and McGinn for cheap. I'm very high on Rees but even when I try to look at it as objectively as I can I think it would be a mistake to give up on Rees for Tarasenko who is a big question mark. And I say that even if we attached Gardiner or got retention. I like Vlad but his current contract is a net negative. Not giving up assets for him unless retention and/or taking on Gards, and even then I don't like the idea of sending Rees when we have plenty of other pieces to send.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I absolutely do not want to move Aho from 1C. Put Kotkaniemi on the wing or slotted down in the lineup at C. I'd move Tro to wing or Staal to the 4th line before I'd move Aho (in this theoretical Staal 4th line scenario we are probably running all 4 lines for similar minutes like the Islanders have done, not my preference).

If Montreal doesn't match:

Svech - Aho - TT
JK - Tro - Necas
Nino - Staal - Fast
Martinook - Drury - Lorentz

That's a very well balanced forward lineup.

 

[ndp]

I absolutely do not want to move Aho from 1C. Put Kotkaniemi on the wing or slotted down in the lineup at C. I'd move Tro to wing or Staal to the 4th line before I'd move Aho (in this theoretical Staal 4th line scenario we are probably running all 4 lines for similar minutes like the Islanders have done, not my preference).

If Montreal doesn't match:

Svech - Aho - TT
JK - Tro - Necas
Nino - Staal - Fast
Martinook - Drury - Lorentz

That's a very well balanced forward lineup.