Boston Bruins All Bruins Free Agent/Trade Rumours and Proposals III

[Fenian24]

I agree with you often... but not on this. for the right price I take lucic back. for me the only holdup is that cap hit.

but if I can line up the ducks with marchand/debrusk/lucic for my top 3 left wings over the next 3 seasons... I like that mix of diversity and talents. Heinen/donato/Bjork either move to right wing or im prepared to deal them all. I like the size/power game of lucic more than the skill/speed game of these 3 guys and its not like these guys will be cheap

any of them will cost us 3 mill on cap hit... get me lucic at 3 mill and im happy

I think Donato has a very high ceiling and could be the best of the three, the other two I'm very meh on and if they could be used to get the forward group bigger and better I'm all for dealing them.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I agree with you often... but not on this. for the right price I take lucic back. for me the only holdup is that cap hit.

but if I can line up the ducks with marchand/debrusk/lucic for my top 3 left wings over the next 3 seasons... I like that mix of diversity and talents. Heinen/donato/Bjork either move to right wing or im prepared to deal them all. I like the size/power game of lucic more than the skill/speed game of these 3 guys and its not like these guys will be cheap

any of them will cost us 3 mill on cap hit... get me lucic at 3 mill and im happy

How did you come to the conclusion that Heinen Donato Bjork will cost 3mil?

You’re nuts if you take Diet Lucic over youth/ skill/ speed of a Donato Heinen or Bjork. 2009-2013 Lucic doesn’t exist today.

The last thing this team needs is to be saddled with another anchor of a contract.

 

[Mainehockey33]

If their contract lengths were even I would take Lucic over Backes, but it would really take a lot to want to take on his current contract. More than Edmonton would pay.

 

[chizzler]

If their contract lengths were even I would take Lucic over Backes, but it would really take a lot to want to take on his current contract. More than Edmonton would pay.

Not even close. Backes all day. Three years ago Lucic was brutal to watch. I don’t know who watched the play more, me or him.

 

[wintersej]

On July 1st next year Backes will be owned 5 million over 2 years in real money. 2x2.5 to a team that doesn't care about a cap hit but only real cash is an EASY contract to move. It also happens to be when his trade protection gets cut in half. Hmmm... almost like they planned it out that way.

Lucic's contract is structured similarly... except he doesn't get a cheap $ deal with a partial NTC until 2021....when Backes will be long long gone.

Moving Backes for Lucic is just a bad idea for a lot of reasons.

 

[Ratty]

Can't understand all this Lucic for Backes banter. Both have NMCs. According to Alberta-O'Reilly, Lucic's agent said he's not been asked to waive.

Likewise Backes. I've seen no information that he has been asked to waive, nor that he would want to.

Still doesn't stop the dreamers.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Not even close. Backes all day. Three years ago Lucic was brutal to watch. I don’t know who watched the play more, me or him.

That’s what I thought too but Lucic at his worse is Backes’ average offensively. Plus Lucic is younger and still fights and intimidates.

I wasn’t sad to see Lucic go because his last year here was pretty bad compared to his prime, but compared to Backes I’d take it.

If they retained salary and took Backes in return I would definitely consider it.

 

[Gee Wally]

Ï think lucic can find his touch with David . Wish there was a way to bring him back. He would scare the pants of auston Mathews come playoff time. I remember when we put Shawn Thornton back into the lineup with the Canucks it tilt the series. We need this kind of weapon against the ballerina leafs.

Only way Looch slows down Matthews is if he lays down in front of him.
The Looch we all miss was near 7 years ago. The game has passed him by. Hes the last T Rex standing.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I think Donato has a very high ceiling and could be the best of the three, the other two I'm very meh on and if they could be used to get the forward group bigger and better I'm all for dealing them.

"Very meh" on a 22 year old forward who plays a strong 2-way game and coming off a 47 point rookie season. The brutal takes you can find on HFboards never cease to amaze!

 

[JRull86]

"Very meh" on a 22 year old forward who plays a strong 2-way game and coming off a 47 point rookie season. The brutal takes you can find on HFboards never cease to amaze!

Consider the source

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Consider the source

If only Bjork or Heinen were 6'7'' hulking slow wingers who averaged more fighting majors a season than points. He'd be pounding the table for both to be inserted into the puppy-shit soft Bruins lineup.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

How did you come to the conclusion that Heinen Donato Bjork will cost 3mil?

You’re nuts if you take Diet Lucic over youth/ skill/ speed of a Donato Heinen or Bjork. 2009-2013 Lucic doesn’t exist today.

The last thing this team needs is to be saddled with another anchor of a contract.

I guess because I pay attention?

anyhow... this is something that will play itself out. I have a lot of faith in donato/Heinen/Bjork to have 35-40 point season if they are healthy. that means 3 mill. I don't like the rules but I do try to pay attention to whats going on

 

[wintersej]

I guess because I pay attention?

anyhow... this is something that will play itself out. I have a lot of faith in donato/Heinen/Bjork to have 35-40 point season if they are healthy. that means 3 mill. I don't like the rules but I do try to pay attention to whats going on

They are gonna have to either bite the bullet on some of those kids and move them for futures when they hit their 2nd contract or play hard ball on shorter term deals like they did with Spooner. They ain't getting 3 million on 1 or 2 year deals.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

The glamorized Lucic opinions are pretty funny. Yeah, he's going to "scare the pants off" of Matthews... Is that you, Chiarelli?

How many "down years" does the guy need to have before people realize that his style of play, wear/tear on his body have put an extremely low ceiling on how he is going to perform from here on out? Head over to the EDM board. He was tried in every possible spot in the lineup throughout the season and could not find success in any spot.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

They are gonna have to either bite the bullet on some of those kids and move them for futures when they hit their 2nd contract or play hard ball on shorter term deals like they did with Spooner. They ain't getting 3 million on 1 or 2 year deals.

contracts are insane... hear mark stones ask is 9 mill...

I reread my cap post I made in march where I was predicting 1.1 for kuraly…. 1.1 for grezlyk… and 1.1 for schaller

I always say the only good way to predict contracts is put what you think is 'reasonable' then add at least 25% but even I continually estimate low

if theres 750 guys under normal contracts in the nhl… im sure I underestimated at least 500

I keep trying to get more and more bold with my predictions so I can start getting them right... but im always missing on the low end. fans don't need to like it. teams certainly don't need to like it. but if we want to be accurate with our cap predictions we need to aim high

 

[Mpasta]

I agree with you often... but not on this. for the right price I take lucic back. for me the only holdup is that cap hit.

but if I can line up the ducks with marchand/debrusk/lucic for my top 3 left wings over the next 3 seasons... I like that mix of diversity and talents. Heinen/donato/Bjork either move to right wing or im prepared to deal them all. I like the size/power game of lucic more than the skill/speed game of these 3 guys and its not like these guys will be cheap

any of them will cost us 3 mill on cap hit... get me lucic at 3 mill and im happy

Last year you were certain the Bruins would sign Iginla and you thought that was a good idea. This year you want Lucic. I don't really understand it unless you're just trying to be a contrarian.

 

[NDiesel]

The glamorized Lucic opinions are pretty funny. Yeah, he's going to "scare the pants off" of Matthews... Is that you, Chiarelli?

How many "down years" does the guy need to have before people realize that his style of play, wear/tear on his body have put an extremely low ceiling on how he is going to perform from here on out? Head over to the EDM board. He was tried in every possible spot in the lineup throughout the season and could not find success in any spot.

Yeah, people need to move on from Lucic, unless Edmonton is retaining enough for him to be paid like a 4th liner, let's stay far away.

Feel like the big thing about Lucic is that he is literally too slow to hit players at this point, and when he isn't physical he isn't anything special. The league has gotten so fast that by the time he actually makes it to the puck carrier the puck is long gone and so is the player. I am starting to see the same thing for guys like Backes and Acciari too.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Last year you were certain the Bruins would sign Iginla and you thought that was a good idea. This year you want Lucic. I don't really understand it unless you're just trying to be a contrarian.

I definitely got me a radar buzz that maybe they would sign iginla… instead they signed gionta

do I get points for sensing they wanted a 40 year old winger with some leadership history? I guess iginla was hoping to get healthy enough to play and never quite got to that point? if I understand his retirement talk correctly...

I will continue to think that there was talk in the works that iginla and the team were kicking tires

I don't feel im contrarian. ive always valued big strong wingers who can contribute leadership/grit/compete level

 

[BruinDust]

The glamorized Lucic opinions are pretty funny. Yeah, he's going to "scare the pants off" of Matthews... Is that you, Chiarelli?

How many "down years" does the guy need to have before people realize that his style of play, wear/tear on his body have put an extremely low ceiling on how he is going to perform from here on out? Head over to the EDM board. He was tried in every possible spot in the lineup throughout the season and could not find success in any spot.

That really has nothing to do with his decline.

It comes down really to two things.

Skating and Confidence.

Mostly skating.

Another guy who as the game has speed up every year, he's become less effective. It's not him getting slower, it's the rest of the league getting faster. Especially with the puck, where he doesn't seem to get much down now. Younger, faster players can just take away his time and space now when he's in possession of the puck. Let's be honest, he's never really been a net-front guy.

He's still very physical, and has the hit totals to prove it.

 

[LouJersey]

The glamorized Lucic opinions are pretty funny. Yeah, he's going to "scare the pants off" of Matthews... Is that you, Chiarelli?

How many "down years" does the guy need to have before people realize that his style of play, wear/tear on his body have put an extremely low ceiling on how he is going to perform from here on out? Head over to the EDM board. He was tried in every possible spot in the lineup throughout the season and could not find success in any spot.

Dude has had exactly one down year. Was last year the beginning of the end or a blip?

Who knows.

If Lucic is done based on one season then I guess we should expect the continued and rapid demise of both Backes and Krejci this season.

 

[LouJersey]

That really has nothing to do with his decline.

It comes down really to two things.

Skating and Confidence.

Mostly skating.

Another guy who as the game has speed up every year, he's become less effective. It's not him getting slower, it's the rest of the league getting faster. Especially with the puck, where he doesn't seem to get much down now. Younger, faster players can just take away his time and space now when he's in possession of the puck. Let's be honest, he's never really been a net-front guy.

He's still very physical, and has the hit totals to prove it.

He's like a MLB pitcher that loses a couple mph off his fastball. He will need to fine tune his game and approach. He admittedly said he needs to drop weight and work on his skating. Things he's never had to do before. I'm pretty certain he's not just going to fall off the cliff.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

That really has nothing to do with his decline.

It comes down really to two things.

Skating and Confidence.

Mostly skating.

Another guy who as the game has speed up every year, he's become less effective. It's not him getting slower, it's the rest of the league getting faster. Especially with the puck, where he doesn't seem to get much down now. Younger, faster players can just take away his time and space now when he's in possession of the puck. Let's be honest, he's never really been a net-front guy.

He's still very physical, and has the hit totals to prove it.

I think Looch's straight line speed was honestly underrated while he was with the Bruins. There were nights where he would get a head of steam and power right by defensemen.

Sure, the game isn't going the right direction for a player such as him to retain his success. But, he's also not moving nearly as well as he used to.

 

[Fenian24]

If the game has become all speed and Backed and Lucic and players like them are done when do they deal Krejci because he is just as slow as the other two and is by no means speedy. Small and slow is ok just not big and slow?

 

[BruinDust]

I think Looch's straight line speed was honestly underrated while he was with the Bruins. There were nights where he would get a head of steam and power right by defensemen.

Sure, the game isn't going the right direction for a player such as him to retain his success. But, he's also not moving nearly as well as he used to.

Sure he had straight line speed, still does.

He never had the quick first step, if anything has regressed it has been that part, so in that sense we agree. But I see that more a function of age than wear and tear from laying hits.

Even Backes has decent straight-line speed for a man his size. But his first-step now is pretty awful.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Dude has had exactly one down year. Was last year the beginning of the end or a blip?

Who knows.

If Lucic is done based on one season then I guess we should expect the continued and rapid demise of both Backes and Krejci this season.

Yup. That's what I hear every year.

Maybe he's had decent years for a guy getting 4 million a season, but he's been riding the coattails of actual top 6 talent for years to keep his offensive stats looking semi-decent.

He's a third line player who has the reputation of a first liner and gets paid like one.

The crazy thing is that I still root for the guy. I am still defending him against all the "haters" on the main board when he rages and hits an opponent (whom is usually deserving). But, I don't want the guy on my team as a top 6 player or for the kind of money he's getting.