Prospect Info: Alexander Romanov (2018, 38th OA) - KHL, CSKA Moscow: Part III

[Scriptor]

He was “rushed” when he played KHL this year.

He has been sheltered in the KHL. Russian coaches cajole veterans and make their rookies wait their turn.

 

[Legend123]

He was “rushed” when he played KHL this year.

Romanov adapts and learns on the fly.
Needed to play defense first in the toughest league other than the NHL? Sure. Hes excelling out there.
Needed to play offense and leaned on heavily vs kids? Romanov wins the D of the tourny.
Hes a gem. Rushing wont have much of an impact on him. Hes got too much swagger and confidence.

 

[xNogaitx]

Craig Button on TSN just made it seem, this kid could be in the NHL next year...........nice!

He can't. He is locked up under contract next year with CSKA. If anything he might climb the lineup a bit and get more minutes (i.e. 15-17 mins a game) in the KHL. But he won't be able to transition until after the 2019/2020 season is over.

We'll get to watch him for his second WCJ next year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He can't. He is locked up under contract next year with CSKA. If anything he might climb the lineup a bit and get more minutes (i.e. 15-17 mins a game) in the KHL. But he won't be able to transition until after the 2019/2020 season is over.

We'll get to watch him for his second WCJ next year.

He can play NHL next year but we would have to do transfer payment to the KHL (like Soccer) to get him play for the Habs. Its' very likely the KHL team extends him and forces the Habs hand at paying them even more so he can be released to us. Might be next year, more likely the year after. It's part of the game and the KHL wants to recoup money.

Look at it from Romanov's situation...
- He will play KHL cause he can make more money vs AHL.
- He will sign an extension with the KHL if he has to so he can avoid the AHL.
- He wants the fasted route to burn the ELC so he can start making NHL money. So he will play KHL until he is NHL ready. In this case, he makes the most money he can before he starts his ELC in the NHL.

This approach works for his KHL team and for Romanov.

 

[NotProkofievian]

He can play NHL next year but we would have to do transfer payment to the KHL (like Soccer) to get him play for the Habs. Its' very likely the KHL team extends him and forces the Habs hand at paying them even more so he can be released to us. Might be next year, more likely the year after. It's part of the game and the KHL wants to recoup money.

Look at it from Romanov's situation...
- He will play KHL cause he can make more money vs AHL.
- He will sign an extension with the KHL if he has to so he can avoid the AHL.
- He wants the fasted route to burn the ELC so he can start making NHL money. So he will play KHL until he is NHL ready. In this case, he makes the most money he can before he starts his ELC in the NHL.

This approach works for his KHL team and for Romanov.

I don't think we can pay the transfer for him, he needs to buy his contract out. I could be wrong about this, though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think we can pay the transfer for him, he needs to buy his contract out. I could be wrong about this, though.

I'm not going to pretend that I am expert on this. But I did read an article about it a few weeks back where they talked about several options and they did mentioned the soccer style of transfers. And Yes, it's more like you need to buy him out of his contract vs the Soccer style of player transfers. But the KHL has no agreement with the NHL so it's all negotiable. We may never know the actual details behind the scenes when they come to agreement and Romanov is making the trip overseas.

All I know is it's in the KHL team and Romanov for him to play there and have him under contract. KHL team would get money from the Habs and Romanov makes KHL money before he is NHL ready and avoids AHL salary. Makes sense to me and the Russians will protect their asset.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I'm not going to pretend that I am expert on this. But I did read an article about it a few weeks back where they talked about several options and they did mentioned the soccer style of transfers. And Yes, it's more like you need to buy him out of his contract vs the Soccer style of player transfers. But the KHL has not agreement with the NHL so it's all negotiable. We may never know the actual details behind the scenes when they come to agreement and Romanov is making the trip overseas.

All I know is it's in the KHL team and Romanov for him to play there and have him under contract. KHL team would get money from the Habs and Romanov makes KHL money before he is NHL ready and avoids AHL salary. Makes sense to me and the Russians will protect their asset.

I think it's that because the does not have an agreement with the KHL, an NHL team can't make the transfer payment like we can with, say, the SHL. What was the article, out of curiousity?

It's one of those things, though, that I'm not even sure what to google to get the right answer.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Buy him out and bring him to the NHL. This year has been great developmentally for him, the best prospects need to be challenged, and Romanov has shown he’s one of those guys.

 

[A55P2]

I don't think there's any rush to have him come over. Let him develop his offense a bit more, he'll be what 19 next year? That's super young, not a problem if he stays there.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't think there's any rush to have him come over. Let him develop his offense a bit more, he'll be what 19 next year? That's super young, not a problem if he stays there.

No. We must rush every prospect.

There have been no negative effects to rushing prospects. That's why Mete, Juulsen, LeBlanc, Mccarron, De la rose, Galchenyuk and Tinordi have all been elite players for us and met even their floors.

 

[A55P2]

No. We must rush every prospect.

There have been no negative effects to rushing prospects. That's why Mete, Juulsen, LeBlanc, Mccarron, De la rose, Galchenyuk and Tinordi have all been elite players for us and met even their floors.

I don't see it in that way. Some of these guys deserved their places, such as Kotkaniemi (which you didn't mention), Mete and Juulsen. I guess we could debate on both Mete and Juulsen, but I truly think they deserved their places and did well for most of the time. Romanov would probably do good too, but it's just not really necessary to have him next year with Fleury emerging, Brooks that might play a few games and hopefully a healthy Juulsen. To me, it's just a matter of not having 4 young D coming in at the same time.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't see it in that way. Some of these guys deserved their places, such as Kotkaniemi (which you didn't mention), Mete and Juulsen. I guess we could debate on both Mete and Juulsen, but I truly think they deserved their places and did well for most of the time. Romanov would probably do good too, but it's just not really necessary to have him next year with Fleury emerging, Brooks that might play a few games and hopefully a healthy Juulsen. To me, it's just a matter of not having 4 young D coming in at the same time.

Kotkaniemi is looking just as good as Galchenyuk did in his first year. He could easily end up in the same boat. Theyve at least started him in the NHL at his natural position.

There's always a risk in bringing a young guy in too soon. I don't see the immediacy to bring everyone in who looks passable at another level. If you want the best out of a player, you should bring them up only when they are showing a consistent level of dominance at the lower level.

There's offense in Romanovs game. I'd hate to see that go the way of Metes offense because they brought him in too soon and he just tries to survive.

 

[A55P2]

Kotkaniemi is looking just as good as Galchenyuk did in his first year. He could easily end up in the same boat. Theyve at least started him in the NHL at his natural position.

There's always a risk in bringing a young guy in too soon. I don't see the immediacy to bring everyone in who looks passable at another level. If you want the best out of a player, you should bring them up only when they are showing a consistent level of dominance at the lower level.

There's offense in Romanovs game. I'd hate to see that go the way of Metes offense because they brought him in too soon and he just tries to survive.

Mete's offense clearly showed recently, he's just laughably unlucky. I think he'll find his offensive game sooner than later, just keep him with Weber and he'll be fine. Mete has definitely been "trying to survive" for some time, I'll give you that. But he seems much more confident recently.

I gotta say that I'm really not a big fan of the rush every prospect or don't rush any prospect type of thinking. To me, it truly is a matter of the player's qualities and potential to improve his flaws in the NHL. A guy like Poehling for example definitely needs to work on his shot and scoring abilities in the AHL, at least in my mind. Even though he'd be ready defensively, I think it's worth to keep him down. On the other hand, Mete's shot will remain terrible/mediocre for ever, he's gotta find ways to score by using his speed and joining the plays at the right time, I think he can do that in the NHL.

 

[jaffy27]

No. We must rush every prospect.

There have been no negative effects to rushing prospects. That's why Mete, Juulsen, LeBlanc, Mccarron, De la rose, Galchenyuk and Tinordi have all been elite players for us and met even their floors.

Oh, I thought it’s because they were no good.

How about Gabriel Dumont, he played tons of AHL games, why is he still not at the NHL level??

Gallagher played a handful of AHL games and he is now a full time NHL player.

Hudon has played years in the AHL...why is he still not a regular.

The easy answer to that is some players have it and some don’t.

Tinordi played 158 AHL games vs 46 in the NHL......he had plenty of time to develop

 

[417]

No. We must rush every prospect.

There have been no negative effects to rushing prospects. That's why Mete, Juulsen, LeBlanc, Mccarron, De la rose, Galchenyuk and Tinordi have all been elite players for us and met even their floors.

Not all draft picks are meant to be elite, simply because they were drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.

The Habs took their time with Hudon, is he any better of a player for it?

Some players are more ready for the NHL at a younger age then others...maybe Romanov will be ready for the NHL next year, who knows, but to suggest he's guaranteed to flop because Leblanc or McCarron were "rushed" is a stretch.

If you want to wait until Romanov is consistently dominant in the KHL, before you bring him over, then we won't see him in the NHL until he's 25/26.

So I don't think that expectation, of dominance, is a fair one.

 

[Baksfamous112]

He can't. He is locked up under contract next year with CSKA. If anything he might climb the lineup a bit and get more minutes (i.e. 15-17 mins a game) in the KHL. But he won't be able to transition until after the 2019/2020 season is over.

We'll get to watch him for his second WCJ next year.

He can play NHL next year but we would have to do transfer payment to the KHL (like Soccer) to get him play for the Habs. Its' very likely the KHL team extends him and forces the Habs hand at paying them even more so he can be released to us. Might be next year, more likely the year after. It's part of the game and the KHL wants to recoup money.

Look at it from Romanov's situation...
- He will play KHL cause he can make more money vs AHL.
- He will sign an extension with the KHL if he has to so he can avoid the AHL.
- He wants the fasted route to burn the ELC so he can start making NHL money. So he will play KHL until he is NHL ready. In this case, he makes the most money he can before he starts his ELC in the NHL.

This approach works for his KHL team and for Romanov.

I don't think we can pay the transfer for him, he needs to buy his contract out. I could be wrong about this, though.

I asked Marc Dupont that same question yesterday in an Athletic Q&A and his response was:

‘’Romanov has to buy-out the contract himself. And last I checked, he has to do it a year ahead of time’’

 

[WeThreeKings]

Oh, I thought it’s because they were no good.

How about Gabriel Dumont, he played tons of AHL games, why is he still not at the NHL level??

Gallagher played a handful of AHL games and he is now a full time NHL player.

Hudon has played years in the AHL...why is he still not a regular.

The easy answer to that is some players have it and some don’t.

Tinordi played 158 AHL games for the habs vs 46 in the AHL......he had plenty of time to develop

It's not always about how many games they had. It's about when they called them up. It's also about the type of development coaching they receive at the levels they are at.

There's a distinct difference between: bring him into the NHL next season, he's got swagger!

And, bring him over and let him show that he's ready. Ready and being the player they are.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not all draft picks are meant to be elite, simply because they were drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.

The Habs took their time with Hudon, is he any better of a player for it?

Some players are more ready for the NHL at a younger age then others...maybe Romanov will be ready for the NHL next year, who knows, but to suggest he's guaranteed to flop because Leblanc or McCarron were "rushed" is a stretch.

If you want to wait until Romanov is consistently dominant in the KHL, before you bring him over, then we won't see him in the NHL until he's 25/26.

So I don't think that expectation, of dominance, is a fair one.

Never guaranteed it. Just that there's no reason to bring him into the NHL immediately.

I'm happy he's got some production in the KHL now. Let's hope he keeps it up. Being a consistent producer there would be the next step in his development for me.

There really isn't a whole lot of 19-20 year old defenceman breaking into the NHL. If you went by the whims of the majority here, we'd have Mete Juulsen Brook Fleury and Romanov in the NHL next year.

Let em force their way in. The plan should never be to pen them in. They can push someone out. I thought Kotkaniemi could use another year. He hasn't. His handling has been great which is also something we aren't used to seeing.

And I think it would be disingenuous to not mention how even just that minor stint in the AHL helped Mete.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I asked Marc Dupont that same question yesterday in an Athletic Q&A and his response was:

‘’Romanov has to buy-out the contract himself. And last I checked, he has to do it a year ahead of time’’

Money talks. Habs can help him. All I know is Romanov wants nothing to do with the AHL. Not sure how much he is making in the KHL right now but I'm sure it's at least what he would make in the AHL. I'm hearing he is signed for this year and next. Something tells me the KHL team puts pressure on him to extend his contract after this season so they have more leverage when it comes to negotiation of when he and the Habs decide he is ready to make the trip overseas.

If he has to buy out his contract, this summer is the best time to do so cause I don't imagine he has a large contract at this stage of his KHL career. If the KHL team is able to extend him (they likely put pressure on him to do so), his contract will be larger and will require more money to get him out of it.

Romanov's agent will work at what is the best fit for Romanov. Both making money now in the KHL and also providing options to play NHL when he is ready. AHL is not part of the equation. There will be a conversation with the Habs about it.

 

[A55P2]

Never guaranteed it. Just that there's no reason to bring him into the NHL immediately.

I'm happy he's got some production in the KHL now. Let's hope he keeps it up. Being a consistent producer there would be the next step in his development for me.

There really isn't a whole lot of 19-20 year old defenceman breaking into the NHL. If you went by the whims of the majority here, we'd have Mete Juulsen Brook Fleury and Romanov in the NHL next year.

Let em force their way in. The plan should never be to pen them in. They can push someone out. I thought Kotkaniemi could use another year. He hasn't. His handling has been great which is also something we aren't used to seeing.

And I think it would be disingenuous to not mention how even just that minor stint in the AHL helped Mete.

I think most can agree with this statement. It's just easy to go the "do not rush any prospect" route, but it doesn't seem to be your main point here, that's fair.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think most can agree with this statement. It's just easy to go the "do not rush any prospect" route, but it doesn't seem to be your main point here, that's fair.

Yeah, I don't consider Kotkaniemi rushed because he's proven that he's capable of playing in the NHL and that he remains inventive in his approach. I don't see a guy where the league is too much and he's just being a safe version. He has off games as being young anyone will. But he's not shy in any approach.

My main problem is with the guys who would get called up any time they had a modicum of success at the AHL level offensively then toil on the fourth line for twenty games before being sent down.

I also hate their approach with Hudon at the moment. They should be playing him instead of no upside Agostino. He's not gonna get some level of consistency in his game by not playing often. He had a good year last year and he has his moments when he plays but they never give him a leash.

 

[A55P2]

I also hate their approach with Hudon at the moment. They should be playing him instead of no upside Agostino. He's not gonna get some level of consistency in his game by not playing often. He had a good year last year and he has his moments when he plays but they never give him a leash.

Couldn't agree more with that! He made a few mistakes in the last few games because he tried things, that shouldn't be such a bad thing! He played hard in the corners, got a few hits, got a few shots and passed the puck well. I think he's been benched entirely because of a couple of bad defensive plays, but it's difficult to be 100% consistent when you don't play much.

I really hope the coaching staff saw the difference between him and Agostiono in the last few games and plays him more. Hudon's much more combative.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

He can't. He is locked up under contract next year with CSKA. If anything he might climb the lineup a bit and get more minutes (i.e. 15-17 mins a game) in the KHL. But he won't be able to transition until after the 2019/2020 season is over.

We'll get to watch him for his second WCJ next year.

Pretty sure he can come if we drafted him, and even if his contract comes to an end in 1 year.

I am really really not sure though, but I heard it.

 

[Deluded Puck]

Romanov adapts and learns on the fly.
Needed to play defense first in the toughest league other than the NHL? Sure. Hes excelling out there.
Needed to play offense and leaned on heavily vs kids? Romanov wins the D of the tourny.
Hes a gem. Rushing wont have much of an impact on him. Hes got too much swagger and confidence.

Swagger? Confidence? Russian under Julien?
Oh no.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

He can't. He is locked up under contract next year with CSKA. If anything he might climb the lineup a bit and get more minutes (i.e. 15-17 mins a game) in the KHL. But he won't be able to transition until after the 2019/2020 season is over.

We'll get to watch him for his second WCJ next year.

Pretty sure he can come if we drafted him, and even if his contract comes to an end in 1 year.

I am really really not sure though, but I heard it.