Recalled/Assigned: Alexander Khokhlachev

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Why should he have been in the top 3? What had he done as a Boston Bruin up to that point? He is a newbie and has to earn his way.

+ 1.
I mean why didn't Paille and Miller go before him.
They have paid their dues.


Clode being Clode.
What did Koko do in the first that pissed Clode off ?
I am sure it was egregious.
 

Artemis

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+ 1.
I mean why didn't Paille and Miller go before him.
They have paid their dues.


Clode being Clode.
What did Koko do in the first that pissed Clode off ?
I am sure it was egregious.

If he was that pissed off, why did he use Koko at all?

Cripes, he made a nice shot and they won, yay for the kid. Why can't people be happy?
 

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complaining now about where a kid is spotted in the shootout??? My gawd some are picky here, who bloody cares, had he put him in the top three and the kid misses or does what we`ve seen from many around the league who try the NHL15 crazy deke and doesn`t get a shot off fans here would be screaming for putting the kid in a spot like that in his 2nd NHL game when he might have a case of the nerves

Get over it, 2pts, the kid gets a nice taste of NHL life and Julien, whether we like it or not, treats his TOI as he often does with other young players, insulates them from the too much too soon aspect
 

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My favorite thing about kohko is his attitude, one of the best things you can look for in a hockey player in their mental fortitude. Do they want it and can they stay tough mentally to get it? Koko just comes off as oozing all that
 

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9:33 of ice time, including :41 on the PP, isn't exactly gluing him to the bench in his second-ever NHL game.

I love Koko with the blazing heat of a thousand suns, but I wouldn't expect him to get massive amounts of ice time in his second game, nor to be one of the first picked in the shootout. Give the kid a chance to ease his way in.

This is the way it is usually done...so yeah.
 

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My favorite thing about kohko is his attitude, one of the best things you can look for in a hockey player in their mental fortitude. Do they want it and can they stay tough mentally to get it? Koko just comes off as oozing all that

Nice byproduct of Koko up was Spooner back at natural position center and dominating. Heard he was so fast Pasta had trouble keeping up with him.

Sorry to upset Claude but this kid at center on a team that opens it up a bit would be putting up points in the NHL right now

As for koko- love him like a pound puppy
 

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I never said he should be top 3 i said top 3 would be smith soda and bergy but koko for sure next with his skill. Hell, last year they had spooner shooting first and i dont think he even netted one, all im saying is they know koko has great skill and a nice shot so why theyd put krug ahead of him was surprising.

Spooner is a shootout specialist. Throughout his career, NHL, AHL, OHL he is a whopping 57.8% in the skills competition. Koko's pretty good to at 36.6% and the difference in attempts is 3, so asking why Spooner was used first and Koko 7th isn't a good argument for me.
 

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No coincidence that the game was more exciting with the introduction of Koko. It's true he's the type of player that will create scoring chances at both ends of the ice.

But as a fan isn't that what we want to see?

It was pretty clear that "system hockey" was out the window in the first period last night and it lead to end to end action and quality scoring chances both for and against. Having so many young players in the lineup took the game out of Claude's hands.

The league should take the game away from the coaches with their robotic systems and 40 second shifts followed by dump-ins as well as the massive goaltenders. It would be nice to see individual creativity and playmaking again.

The sit back in the neutral zone and wait for turnovers (Devils hockey) is terrible to watch.
 

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No coincidence that the game was more exciting with the introduction of Koko. It's true he's the type of player that will create scoring chances at both ends of the ice.

But as a fan isn't that what we want to see?

It was pretty clear that "system hockey" was out the window in the first period last night and it lead to end to end action and quality scoring chances both for and against. Having so many young players in the lineup took the game out of Claude's hands.

The league should take the game away from the coaches with their robotic systems and 40 second shifts followed by dump-ins as well as the massive goaltenders. It would be nice to see individual creativity and playmaking again.

The sit back in the neutral zone and wait for turnovers (Devils hockey) is terrible to watch.

I agree; thankfully the Bruins don't play that way.

Julien's system isn't "sit in the neutral zone and wait for turnovers," the Bruins, when they're on, play a forechecking game and press the attack. Julien also emphasizes what every other NHL coach does (to varying degrees of success) - everyone on the ice has a defensive responsibility and must play a 200-foot game.

There isn't a coach in the NHL who wants his team to play wide-open firewagon hockey for one simple reason - you lose more than you win.
 

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I agree; thankfully the Bruins don't play that way.

Julien's system isn't "sit in the neutral zone and wait for turnovers," the Bruins, when they're on, play a forechecking game and press the attack. Julien also emphasizes what every other NHL coach does (to varying degrees of success) - everyone on the ice has a defensive responsibility and must play a 200-foot game.

There isn't a coach in the NHL who wants his team to play wide-open firewagon hockey for one simple reason - you lose more than you win.


The Bruins are much more similar to the Devils than they are to the Leafs....which as you say helps the team win games. When the Bruins don't have the puck they set up in the 1 - 2 - 2 hoping to get a turnover in the neutral zone. The end result is the puck just constantly turning over for both sides. The opponent can't get through the neutral zone with possession (which I guess is hooray for the Bruins) but off the turnover the Bruins don't generate speed because it's not a play that originates from their own zone where they have time to get their legs going. This approach to the game, if it works, forces a more offensive team to play differently which makes them less effective.

I want to see this type of hockey go the way of the dinosaur but apparently the NHL likes it. Maybe it's because, together with the massive goalies, it makes all the games close and allows bad teams to compete.

What I want to see when a team heavily outplays it's opposition in the first period is an end result of that period in a 3-1 or 3-0 or 2-0 lead. Today teams are lucky to get a one goal advantage from dominating the play which means that a fluky bounce at the other end of the ice cancels out all the superior play.
 

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I agree; thankfully the Bruins don't play that way.
Julien's system isn't "sit in the neutral zone and wait for turnovers," the Bruins, when they're on, play a forechecking game and press the attack. Julien also emphasizes what every other NHL coach does (to varying degrees of success) - everyone on the ice has a defensive responsibility and must play a 200-foot game.
There isn't a coach in the NHL who wants his team to play wide-open firewagon hockey for one simple reason - you lose more than you win.

Claude Julien's 'press the attack' hockey requires dumping puck in offensive zone, kick puck around the boards for a minute, and get puck back to the point for a shot, and then immediately resume defensive posture. Julien will be forced to bend a few of his own rules in the future because this next generation of Boston forwards prospects/players don't play Claude's dull brand of hockey exclusively; if the coach chooses not to bend, there will be difficulty in the next three years, and the curtain could come down for the final time on 200' hockey responsibility.
 
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I agree.... This game across the league has been too coached.... I remember watching games from the 70's and 80's being much more exciting because it was more about the the players playing their games... Today, we are seeing hockey being coached to death. It's leading to a dull, boring game compared to what the sport used to be... These days are all about systems and analytics than just letting the players be creative and play to their strengths.
 

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I agree.... This game across the league has been too coached.... I remember watching games from the 70's and 80's being much more exciting because it was more about the the players playing their games... Today, we are seeing hockey being coached to death. It's leading to a dull, boring game compared to what the sport used to be... These days are all about systems and analytics than just letting the players be creative and play to their strengths.

all about systems, corsi and metric`s or is it Matrix??

Every so often you see some exciting games, but the boring one`s are far more prevelant
 

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I agree.... This game across the league has been too coached.... I remember watching games from the 70's and 80's being much more exciting because it was more about the the players playing their games... Today, we are seeing hockey being coached to death. It's leading to a dull, boring game compared to what the sport used to be... These days are all about systems and analytics than just letting the players be creative and play to their strengths.

I hear ya, and ideally there should at least be a happy medium, but the bottom line is that well-coached, structured teams will find more success than freelancing/open-style teams in the long run. And that is why the general trend you speak of will never disappear. NHL games are not won on style points, however much the style points please the crowds and TV viewers alike.

There's not much that can be done, it's part of the evolution of the game IMO. Successful models for winning and/or overachieving (given a certain level of talent) will only be replicated or countered with another system. And so it goes...
 

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The Bruins are much more similar to the Devils than they are to the Leafs....which as you say helps the team win games. When the Bruins don't have the puck they set up in the 1 - 2 - 2 hoping to get a turnover in the neutral zone. The end result is the puck just constantly turning over for both sides. The opponent can't get through the neutral zone with possession (which I guess is hooray for the Bruins) but off the turnover the Bruins don't generate speed because it's not a play that originates from their own zone where they have time to get their legs going. This approach to the game, if it works, forces a more offensive team to play differently which makes them less effective.

I want to see this type of hockey go the way of the dinosaur but apparently the NHL likes it. Maybe it's because, together with the massive goalies, it makes all the games close and allows bad teams to compete.

What I want to see when a team heavily outplays it's opposition in the first period is an end result of that period in a 3-1 or 3-0 or 2-0 lead. Today teams are lucky to get a one goal advantage from dominating the play which means that a fluky bounce at the other end of the ice cancels out all the superior play.

I don't know what you mean by "the NHL likes it." The NHL doesn't tell teams how to play.

If there's a problem in teams not dominating or being dominated, it's mostly due to parity. I don't think a league consisting of powerhouses and doormats is what anyone would want, but maybe I'm wrong?
 

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Claude Julien's 'press the attack' hockey requires dumping puck in offensive zone, kick puck around the boards for a minute, and get puck back to the point for a shot, and then immediately resume defensive posture. Julien will be forced to bend a few of his own rules in the future because this next generation of Boston forwards prospects/players don't play Claude's dull brand of hockey exclusively; if the coach chooses not to bend, there will be difficulty in the next three years, and the curtain could come down for the final time on 200' hockey responsibility.

The first shots were already fired at camp, he won't back down and I have my doubts that the front office will force his hands and take away "his" guys.
Claude's going to need extra strength Prilosec when Pastrnak shows up:nod:
 

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The first shots were already fired at camp, he won't back down and I have my doubts that the front office will force his hands and take away "his" guys.
Claude's going to need extra strength Prilosec when Pastrnak shows up:nod:

If Pastrnak models his NHL game after Krejci, who is his idol, Julien will love him.
 

Artemis

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Have you've seen him live yet?

Just at rookie camp. Looking forward to seeing him in January, if he's still in Providence.

He's young, enthusiastic, and most importantly, willing and eager to learn. He's said himself, more than once, that he needs to play better in all three zones, and guys like Mark Divver (he covers the P-B's for the ProJo) have said he's a work in progress, and has his shifts/games when he's less than stellar. That's to be expected. As I've said before, that's what the AHL is for.

There's no reason why a standout offensive player can't be responsible on defense. It takes intelligence, unselfishness and willingness to bust your tail, traits I would think every Bruins fan - every hockey fan - would want in a player. Pavel Datsyuk and Anze Kopitar don't seem to be "dragged down" by playing good defense. Would you rather have players like that, or guys like Ovechkin, who half the time can't be bothered to cover his man in the defensive zone?
 

Artemis

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I hope not. Pastrnak plays fast and shows emotion; Krejci is nothing like that.

Shows emotion? Who cares if someone shows emotion if he plays well? And Krejci IS emotional, BTW, he just doesn't put on huge "Look at me!" displays.

Anyway, I was referring to the fact that Krejci is a cerebral player and knows what to do in all three zones, and for his size, he is unafraid to play physically. He'll do whatever it takes to make a play. That's what Pastrnak is aiming to do; it's not the style that matters, it's the smarts and the heart.
 

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