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I really wished Semin would've work out, but it's obvious the penalty he took last night will put him in the doghouse forever. It looked bad to me, so imagine how Therrien saw it. He's done here, unfortunately.
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Therrien himself said that Semin just needs to adjust to how the team plays, I hate Therrien for this team but at least he's giving Semin a way out of the doghouse. Its all on Alex now.
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Desharnais and Plekanec had relatively similar offensive capabilities.
Even if you disagree Desharnais and Plekanec are closer than Semin and Gallagher.
While I wanted to spread the offensive we had less depth, no legit 4th line and 3rd line had no wingers. It was a necessity. Now we have all of those along with talented players in the minors.
Like PAP on top line, it was tried but didn't last long and people rejoiced when Gallagher and Plekanec joined Pacioretty.
Now...MT has kept the line and we want to throw back another PAP type(Semin) and expect different results?
Also, Pacioretty isn't at his best this year. Many speculate his injury left him little time to get his strength back so he's not 100%. So it's a little different, also because that line has defensive responsibility whereas Pacioretty had high OZS in the past.
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This is what advanced stats dont tell you, and thats not knocking them. I think they are very useful.
Semin can be in the best shape of his life, but it doesnt matter if it takes him that extra couple seconds to make a decision. Its a pity because he still has mad skills.
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So why go after Semin or Kassian then? Briere failed. PAP failed. Why go with the same reclamation deal and expect different results?
Why sign a guy coming from Europe hyped up like Holloway after the Sekac scenario??
Does't matter at this point. Semin is here. We tried him on one single line. It hasn't worked. Try another one.
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not the first... make no sense to given him that reward... (better line mate, tougher competition, more TOI)
so sense to broke dd line for him...
he is not fit for 4th line dutie...
I don't follow.
Kassian and Semin may be reclamation projects but so was Flash in a way, PTO and all.
Weise wasn't exactly a stud in Vancouver either.
Holloway plays in the AHL and provides leadership and experience so either way he was an asset.
Specifically, Kassian saved us 750k in cap, got us a pick for a broken down 4th liner in Prust. The reclamation project had several benefits.
Semin was a 1.1 million dollar deal, could be buried. Not like PAP and Briere at 4 mil/4.5 mil a season over 2 years each.
It's also about future cap and roster spots. Were they supposed to sign a middle UFA like Frolik(or whoever) and be potentially screwed with another player who doesn't fit the system?
How about the young players in Scherbak, Andrighetto, McCarron, Hudon who were supposed to compete for a spot? Were we supposed to allocate term to stop gaps?
Again, I'm okay with trying Semin on another line but IMO he should be tried with DD if anything. Flash and Semin have experience together as well.
Again, it's not a preference to break up that line but I see no point breaking up 1st line for Semin. It was one thing if Semin were playing like a 2nd liner and you made the swap but Semin hasn't looked like a top 6 player by any stretch. It's a reach from putting him a 2nd/3rd line with OZS to a 1st line who is under heavy checking assignments.
If we do it I'll clearly cheer him on. I actually wanted this guy on the team and was disappointed when MB hadn't made a move for him at the start. We'll have to try him on another line for sure but man oh man it looks like it will be a short experiment that might interfere with other lines.
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Mitchell to the rescue...
well he has equal stats then Eller and semin... if you add them..
without "PP" and "ZONE START" add what even crap people try to tell us...
Comeone people...
SEMIN <<<<< Mitchell this year
it's start to be ridicule... Posters are worst then Antichambre
I don't think Semin has been as bad as he's been made out to be. I think he's created some nice things up front but they weren't completed by his linemates. If he's with Patches-Plek, maybe it's different.
You can also shelter him. When Plek-Patch are deployed in the Dzone, put another RW, when the puck is moving up, put Semin on. If it doesn't work you move on. Not the end of the world.
The DD line is firing on all cylinders. I don't see the point of breaking up a line that is on fire. The Plek line isn't doing particularly well.
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You know you don't have to reply to every posts on the forums right? Especially the one you don't understand.
Mitchell place is on the 4th line.
Semin place is on the waivers.
While it makes no sense to break DD's line, I would be almost tempted to agree to put Semin there and move Weise or Fleishmann up. As a science experiment. Just to see Semin scoring again....
But no, it would be absurd hockey-wise.
But no, it would be absurd hockey-wise.
TheBlindFan
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I will speak sssslllloooowwwllllyyyy since i cannot understand....
Michell is better then Semin this year without a doubt
Mitchell would be on a 3th in most of the team
Semin isn't place on the waivers yet
And I won't post again tonight cause you broke me heart...
(your gif ... "happy they change sometime... but Mitchell
"... maybe that not what you think... but that what I understood... I'm dumb you know...
OnTheRun
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I will speak sssslllloooowwwllllyyyy since i cannot understand....
Michell is better then Semin this year without a doubt
Mitchell would be on a 3th in most of the team
Semin isn't place on the waivers yet
And I won't post again tonight cause you broke me heart...
(your gif ... "happy they change sometime... but Mitchell
What you are doing here is called "nivellement par le bas". You are putting the standards so damn low than everyone and everything is susceptible to fit the criteria of acceptability.
Being "better than Semin" is not good enough, because who isn't?
Mitchell is a 3rd liner on a weak team or a team plagued with injuries, we are neither. Mitchell having an hot start doesn't change who he is. He got one point in his last 6 games and 13 games doesn't make a career, the guy is 1 goal away from his last year total and 5 from his career's best. So let's call a spade a spade, he's a 4th liner, a very good one in my opinion, but a 4th liner nonetheless.
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Weise hasn't had a point in 4 games. While I don't expect much from him he is not exactly on fire.
Pacioretty 6 points in last 5.
Plekanec 5 in last 5.
Gallagher 7 in last 5.
So back to putting a grinder who's not scoring next to Galchenyuk?..You said Flash is a lefty so Weise would be moving up? But he's not scoring anymore and as you said, that's normal, everyone expects him to come back to earth.
Our three best goal scorers are on the top line (when you exclude Weise who's lucky more than skilled imo). Move one down. Seems painfully obvious to me.
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Mitchell is a 4th liner, always been always will be...
it fits with the idea of trying DSP, Byron or Flynn with Galchenyuk on the 3rd...
will it ba ANOTHER failed experiment on MT part ? probably...
The search for the RWer for Galchenyuk+Eller continues...!!!
Hudon: I was just thinking about it and asking people here recently...whether Hudon has ever played RW!! (for the reason above). He could be next (after Mitchell), but I hope they keep searching within the club to give more time to our prospects to develop/progress properly.
Wish Kassian was back already...to get a chance there.
(Eller-Galchenyuk-Kassian).
Semin, Flynn, Byron, DSP, and now...Mitchell!!
You can always try Semin with Flash since they played together once (but if we do this we're playing musical chairs with RWers!! then again...better to do this in regular season VS playoffs):
Pacioretty---Pleks---Weise/Gallagher
Eller---Galchenyuk---Gallagher/Weise
Fleischmann---DD---Semin
DSP---Mitchell---Flynn
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I think that Semin is still going to get another opportunity depending on his performance in practice and ability to pick up the system. The fact that Mitchell is on the 2nd line, instead of a prospect or trade shows that he's may get another chance.
I don't believe he doesn't care, he seemed pretty devastated when he got that penalty and jubilant when the won the game in OT. It's not that he's unwilling but unable to make those changes at the moment.
Conversations, video and practice is where Semin needs to focus right now. Skipping that optional was a mistake, and hopefully he sees that now.
That said, I think he's done and the game has sped past him. I would love to be wrong about this, but Semin was acquired on the cheap, and sometimes you get what you pay for. After waiving or buying him out, it would be best for Bergevin to look within the organization as no one is trading right now, and the Habs are doing well enough not to make a desperate deal.
I don't believe he doesn't care, he seemed pretty devastated when he got that penalty and jubilant when the won the game in OT. It's not that he's unwilling but unable to make those changes at the moment.
Conversations, video and practice is where Semin needs to focus right now. Skipping that optional was a mistake, and hopefully he sees that now.
That said, I think he's done and the game has sped past him. I would love to be wrong about this, but Semin was acquired on the cheap, and sometimes you get what you pay for. After waiving or buying him out, it would be best for Bergevin to look within the organization as no one is trading right now, and the Habs are doing well enough not to make a desperate deal.
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Being said like that make me think that:
Erik Cole
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Micheal Ryder
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Daniel Brière
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PA Parenteau
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Jiri Sekac
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Devante Smith-Pelley
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Zack Kassian
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Alexander Semin
Bergevin has done a good job overall with the Habs.....but the search for the RW that's been going on for 4 years now has been a total failure. No trade, signing or prospect ever made it on the RW
All we got left is a distraction, a 4th line grinder and a Handicap of $1.3M for 2 years on the cap.
That search is a disaster.
I agree that MB have to stop beating around the bush and hit one right for his RW.
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