Alex Edler - Part II

[TheWanderer]

Misunderstand the context in which "Edler has been the team's worst defenseman since the start of 11/12" is used? That's a cut and dry statement regardless of context.

Case in point.

 

[Scurr]

Edler-Bieksa hasn't worked but to be fair Bieksa has looked mistake prone 90% of his time in the top 4. There's a reason why he's been slowly slipping down the RD depth chart the last 3 seasons.

Edler-Corrado looked decent in a very small sample size. Corrado looks like an AHL player (for now) so Edler had to carry him.

Edler-Diaz has looked solid in a small sample size. Diaz plays more of the ideal style Edler should be paired with. Most consider Diaz a decent #5 so Edler has been carrying him in a top 4 role.

Edler-Garrison hasn't looked good but Edler cannot play his off-side and Garrison really hasn't looked good as the RD unless paired with a bonafide top 30 Dman in Hamhuis or Campbell. For a very short stint Edler-Garrison did look good which is to be expected with 2 bonafide top 4 guys.

Edler-Rome was carried by Edler.

Edler-Tanev makes too much sense to be used by Sullivan.

You just made an excuse for Edler for every pair hasn't worked… congrats! Interesting that Hamhuis and Garrison have both had nice runs with Bieksa but Edler can't because Bieksa is "mistake prone 90% of the time". What does that make Edler? Mistake prone 99% of the time?

Edler has never carried a partner.

Edler did look much better last night imo, especially with the puck.

 

[dave babych returns]

Case in point.

Perhaps if you're relying on "the context" to make a literally untrue thing that you utter look less untrue, it would be better to just not say it.

 

[TheWanderer]

You just made an excuse for Edler for every pair hasn't worked… congrats! Interesting that Hamhuis and Garrison have both had nice runs with Bieksa but Edler can't because Bieksa is "mistake prone 90% of the time". What does that make Edler? Mistake prone 99% of the time?

Edler has never carried a partner.

Edler did look much better last night imo, especially with the puck.

This is my point with Edler. He will never be the player leading a pairing. However, when he is being led, he is by far our best complimentary defenseman. He is a very good #2, but he is not and will never be a #1. Which is perfectly fine. His role switch by management from complimentary to leader is what is screwing him up.

Realistically, we don't have any D-men who can lead a pairing... they are all complimentary guys... We got rid of Ehrhoff and Salo, who were both great leaders.

 

[Peen]

Did anyone think Edler had one of his worst games as a Canuck last night?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Henceforth I christen him Casual Alex. Bieksa has now lost that moniker.

 

[MikeK]

Did anyone think Edler had one of his worst games as a Canuck last night?

Who knows. I think that could be asked about a lot of the Canucks last night.

All I really have to say about Edler is that I hope he agrees to waive and allows the team to trade him.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Who knows. I think that could be asked about a lot of the Canucks last night.

All I really have to say about Edler is that I hope he agrees to waive and allows the team to trade him.

My sentiments as well.
Trade Kesler and Edler this off season and let's get on with it. Our defence is pretty solid already and will be even without Edler. Get some young offensive players and draft picks back that can help the team long term.

 

[Vankiller Whale]

Edler-Bieksa looked bad last year, but that was mostly on Bieksa who was playing injured.

To be honest they haven't looked half bad when they've played together this year.

 

[MikeK]

My sentiments as well.
Trade Kesler and Edler this off season and let's get on with it. Our defence is pretty solid already and will be even without Edler. Get some young offensive players and draft picks back that can help the team long term.

This is just my opinion, but I think we could trade Edler for a real nice return and slide Corrado into the roster and not be any worse for it.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

This is just my opinion, but I think we could trade Edler for a real nice return and slide Corrado into the roster and not be any worse for it.

I agree with you. I've always been reluctant to trade Edler because I thought he could turn into this number one defenceman that we've seen glimpses of. At this point though I think what you see is what you get. A very good number two or so defenceman who is prone to mistakes. The one hole we'd have is someone for the powerplay but given how bad it's been this year I don't see how it can get much worse.

 

[leftwinglockdown]

I agree with you. I've always been reluctant to trade Edler because I thought he could turn into this number one defenceman that we've seen glimpses of. At this point though I think what you see is what you get. A very good number two or so defenceman who is prone to mistakes. The one hole we'd have is someone for the powerplay but given how bad it's been this year I don't see how it can get much worse.

This is the Canucks, it can get much much worse before it gets any better.

Losing Edler also means we lose any semblance of consistent physicality on the backend. They already get pushed around and Edler has really been the only one with any push back.

 

[Darwin101]

Analysis of Edler

What is the consensus of Edler's play this year?

If you look at the advanced stats -- ie. corsi, he comes out looking pretty good. But is this a case of advanced stats failing to capture the whole picture?

Most people would agree through observation that he hasn't had a very good year, and basic stats, such as his dreadful -27, seem to back these observations up.


But again, his CF% is one of the best on the team? How do we square that circle?

 

[GPNuck]

I was half cut last night and playing pool while watching the game so I didn't get to pay close attention but from what I saw of Edler is he was awful last night..

 

[Baby Pettersson]

While that -27 looks bad, I wouldn't read too much into it. Even Ovechkin has a horrible +/-

Also welcome to the Forum!

 

[Vankiller Whale]

He's been a victim of bad luck. The team's on-ice shooting percentage with him on the ice is about half of what it usually is, and of course that's going to be reflected in a bad +/-.

 

[Evolu7ion]

Edler's +\- is so bad because he's out there with the Sedins, and the Sedins aren't doing jack **** offensively.

 

[NuxFan09]

I think he's a very good defenseman (as evidenced by the underlying numbers) who is completely overwhelmed by this terrible season (as evidenced by the numbers on the surface). He's had a pretty bad year for the most part, but he's much, much better than this.

 

[NuxFan09]

Shea Weber is currently -13. I think even the best defenseman struggle when their teams are so bad and can't score.

 

[arsmaster*]

Shea Weber is currently -13. I think even the best defenseman struggle when their teams are so bad and can't score.

But that's basing his play on his +/-

I don't think Weber leaves his man alone in front. Slams pucks into shin pads from the point nightly.

Edler is the most frustrating player on the team. It's like he forgot what got him here.

Painful to watch.

 

[MS]

Edler has been utterly horrible this year. The team is better with him out of the lineup and it's a case of advanced stats lying.

Zero compete level, clueless defensively, absolutely bleeds odd-man rushes against.

If you want to get really pissed off, go back and watch his first shift of the 3rd period in the Dallas game. His compete level would be a joke in a beer league.

Edler should have been the player we were doing anything/everything to get rid of at the deadline, not Kesler.

 

[arsmaster*]

Edler has been utterly horrible this year. The team is better with him out of the lineup and it's a case of advanced stats lying.

Zero compete level, clueless defensively, absolutely bleeds odd-man rushes against.

If you want to get really pissed off, go back and watch his first shift of the 3rd period in the Dallas game. His compete level would be a joke in a beer league.

Edler should have been the player we were doing anything/everything to get rid of at the deadline, not Kesler.

Agreed. You want to get rid of the indifferent seeming players not the ones you can see genuinely care the team is in disarray.

Could be that he's Swedish and I just can't relate. I'm emotional so I find myself liking and relating to players that outwardly care more. Another reason edler pisses me off. Nothing seems to bother him. Including his brutal on ice play. I guess that's what $30m does to you.

 

[Wheatley]

Scott Hannan was a minus 21 one year on an awful Colorado team.

If it can happen to Scott Hannan, it can happen to anybody.

ANYBODY

 

[McHortton]

I didn't think he was completely awful defensively last night , but offensively he was absolute garbage. I don't know how many times he took terribly weak shots with players right in front of him (3-4 times in one shift). It was pretty sad.

 

[LiveeviL]

Edler's +\- is so bad because he's out there with the Sedins, and the Sedins aren't doing jack **** offensively.

Pretty much. Being offensive D-man with high QoC, stuck with forwards with nothing in performance you get that minus. Edler was good in the Olympics and took OEL's spot paired with E.K. He performed well on a team with good D-players overall.