Alex Burmistrov (Part II)

[PhilJets]

Burmi

1st Line penalty killing forward line up with an offensively gifted player.
Regular 4th line player, that gets bump up to the 3rd line throughout the year due to injuries, etc.

If BURMI is in the 4th line that means JETS will have 4 good lines running already.

 

[ellismate]

Burmi

1st Line penalty killing forward line up with an offensively gifted player.
Regular 4th line player, that gets bump up to the 3rd line throughout the year due to injuries, etc.

If BURMI is in the 4th line that means JETS will have 4 good lines running already.

I agree. Hopefully the 4th next year is Burmi, Lowry and Lemieux and we can actually give them minutes that reflect a reasonably talented 4th. I hope we can conjure up a solid vet 3C on a short contract until someone with a ceiling is ready to take the reigns like Roslovic.

 

[ellismate]

I too am highly encouraged by Burmi's recent play. Although I'll admit I always hoped and expected he would find his game. So I'm quick to buy in to the "Yay! Burmi doesn't suck!" mindset.

In the absence of all the complexities GJF so excellently pointed out, I like Burmi centering the 3rd, with young promising wingers like Dano or Armia. Maybe Connor starts here.

And with lots of PK time.

Yeah its hard for 10 games to erase the previous 70 but I know what you mean. We really need a 3C with talent and it would be great if Burmi could become that. Honestly not sold on Dano being better than some of the other players in our system with Lemieux, Connor and Petan trying to make the club next season. I think Dano might be out of a job.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

Darren Helm would look good with the jets..

 

[basplit]

Burmi is that good looking girl you take home---and nothing happens.
I've never seen a player that look so good and does NOTHING....

Has ANYONE done well..playing with him?
Hes a line killer..

Watch the end result when he has puck possession---also on the flip
what what Petan does when he has the puck..

The difference is dramatic---
There is NO WAY Burmi deserves to play ahead of Petan.

 

[pucka lucka]

Burmi is that good looking girl you take home---and nothing happens.
I've never seen a player that look so good and does NOTHING....

Has ANYONE done well..playing with him?
Hes a line killer..

Watch the end result when he has puck possession---also on the flip
what what Petan does when he has the puck..

The difference is dramatic---
There is NO WAY Burmi deserves to play ahead of Petan.

THey were playing on the same line. Lowry sure as **** isn't better than Burmistrov. Neither is Copp.

 

[Whileee]

Burmi is that good looking girl you take home---and nothing happens.
I've never seen a player that look so good and does NOTHING....

Has ANYONE done well..playing with him?
Hes a line killer..

Watch the end result when he has puck possession---also on the flip
what what Petan does when he has the puck..

The difference is dramatic---
There is NO WAY Burmi deserves to play ahead of Petan.

Burmi is much better in the D zone than many of the Jets forwards. That matters, too.

 

[Jet]

It's just again the mistaken notion that production = good player.

 

[garret9]

Burmi is that good looking girl you take home---and nothing happens.
I've never seen a player that look so good and does NOTHING....

Has ANYONE done well..playing with him?
Hes a line killer..

Watch the end result when he has puck possession---also on the flip
what what Petan does when he has the puck..

The difference is dramatic---
There is NO WAY Burmi deserves to play ahead of Petan.

Has anyone done well playing with him?

Well, in 2011-13 he had a generous positive impact in his linemates outshooting AND out scoring his opponents. As in his linemates' performances typically went up with him, and down away.
* 3rd highest in outshooting impact
* 5th highest in outscoring impact

He did not have that for the first 50ish games of this season.

He does have that again this last 20ish games.

That does not mean that he deserves to play over Petan... but I wanted to point the issues with your post.

 

[GJF]

Burmi is that good looking girl you take home---and nothing happens.
I've never seen a player that look so good and does NOTHING....

Has ANYONE done well..playing with him?
Hes a line killer..

Watch the end result when he has puck possession---also on the flip
what what Petan does when he has the puck..

The difference is dramatic---
There is NO WAY Burmi deserves to play ahead of Petan.

There are plenty of players who did better with Burmi than with other players on our roster. E. Kane for example. You might remember him, the guy who was impossible to play with effectively. But your post doesn't say make the impression you'd be open to change your opinion, so I doubt you'll make researches about your wrong statement to better know what youre talking about in future.

 

[Skidooboy]

There are plenty of players who did better with Burmi than with other players on our roster. E. Kane for example. You might remember him, the guy who was impossible to play with effectively. But your post doesn't say make the impression you'd be open to change your opinion, so I doubt you'll make researches about your wrong statement to better know what youre talking about in future.

Sorry.
there is more too it than just looking at stats.

For instance Kane's most common shot that year was streaking in alone on the wing bounce pass of the boards to himself followed by a shot from above the circles. He did it like 5 six times a night. It rarely if ever resulted in a goal. Monster SOG tho! Burmi on ice?! Wow must be Burmi and Kane with UNREAL skill and chemistry!
Nope.

IF you have monster possession numbers and no points...there is more there than just what the SOG can tell. Something Stinks.

Production does matter, Points matter, Wins Matter.
Burmi doesn't seem to help produce points, or produce wins.

I'm not trying to blame all of the Jets problems on him...but he left, was replaced with players who PRODUCED POINTS, and the Jets had a winning season. He returns, doesn't produce points and now where are we again?

Kovalev in Ottawa. Great skill great possession, lots of time spent playing keep-away no real effect on game outcome. That is what I see in Burmi, night after night after night.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

THey were playing on the same line. Lowry sure as **** isn't better than Burmistrov. Neither is Copp.

There is actually a fairly reasonable argument to be made that Lowry is in fact better than Burmi. Not to mention younger and therefore more likely to improve.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I'm not trying to blame all of the Jets problems on him...

...

but he left, was replaced with players who PRODUCED POINTS, and the Jets had a winning season. He returns, doesn't produce points and now where are we again?

Didn't you just do that though?

Burmi, if he continues as he has over the last 20 games or so, is a useful 1.5M / year player. He's a PK specialist as well, which is something that this team sorely needs. If his AAV were higher, I might start to agree that we should replace him.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

 

[Skidooboy]

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Didn't you just do that though?

Burmi, if he continues as he has over the last 20 games or so, is a useful 1.5M / year player. He's a PK specialist as well, which is something that this team sorely needs. If his AAV were higher, I might start to agree that we should replace him.

I guess I did.

But I cannot help but think that a big reason we let Frolik go was because we thought we had a guy to replace him in the system, and If I look at the possession stats etc, I cannot help but wonder if TNSE thought Burmi was that guy.
But as I have stated I don't think Burmi is was or will ever be that guy. We hear repeatedly from the press and even the coach that he requires special consideration because he grew up in the Russian system, He's difficult to play with, his line mates aren't unsure what he's gonna do etc. etc.

A minus player with not many points. Again for all his possession and shots against stats...46 assists in 269 games.?????? what?

 

[YWGinYYZ]

But I cannot help but think that a big reason we let Frolik go was because we thought we had a guy to replace him in the system, and If I look at the possession stats etc, I cannot help but wonder if TNSE thought Burmi was that guy.

I doubt it. They were in negotiations with Frolik. We'll never know how legit the offer was, but it was on the table. There's no reason we couldn't have had both Frolik and Burmi - what a PK pairing that would be.

But as I have stated I don't think Burmi is was or will ever be that guy. We hear repeatedly from the press and even the coach that he requires special consideration because he grew up in the Russian system, He's difficult to play with, his line mates aren't unsure what he's gonna do etc. etc.

I hear less of that this year. I also see less of that this year - he's simplified his play, either at the behest of Maurice (most likely) or on his own. He shoots more, he dipsy-doodles less, and actually has some linemates now and again that he can dish the puck off to, and he seems to be doing that.

A minus player with not many points. Again for all his possession and shots against stats...46 assists in 269 games.?????? what?

Minus what? +/-? Yeah, you'll never win me over with that argument. I wish the NHL would forget that it ever decided to track that random stat. In general, you want to not just score, but outscore. In the past, he has done that. Lately he has done that. At the beginning of the year? Yeah: not so much. I'm willing to bet the real Burmi is more like the end of the year Burmi, which bodes well for next year, when we still have him on a favorable contract.

IMO, of course.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

End of year Burmi has been moderately better but it's hard to say how much of that was Matty P, He makes everyone better. In my opinion Burmi actually stagnated MPs offense in their time together while MP improved Burmis Possession.

Im interested to see what Burmi does these last few games without MP. If he does nothing, maybe it's time to give Lowry a chance at those minutes and maybe a decent set of wingers like MP and Dano.

7 goals with 2 being empty netters and 11 Assists and turning 25 at the start of next year.

 

[Skidooboy]

I doubt it. They were in negotiations with Frolik. We'll never know how legit the offer was, but it was on the table. There's no reason we couldn't have had both Frolik and Burmi - what a PK pairing that would be.



I hear less of that this year. I also see less of that this year - he's simplified his play, either at the behest of Maurice (most likely) or on his own. He shoots more, he dipsy-doodles less, and actually has some linemates now and again that he can dish the puck off to, and he seems to be doing that.



Minus what? +/-? Yeah, you'll never win me over with that argument. I wish the NHL would forget that it ever decided to track that random stat. In general, you want to not just score, but outscore. In the past, he has done that. Lately he has done that. At the beginning of the year? Yeah: not so much. I'm willing to bet the real Burmi is more like the end of the year Burmi, which bodes well for next year, when we still have him on a favorable contract.

IMO, of course.

Not totally disagreeing with you regarding plus minus.
But I feel the same way about "fancy stats".

Again. If Burmi has these wonderful possession and shot generation stats, why does he only have 46 assist in 269 games?

If he's so effective at generating shots... that makes ZERO SENSE!!!!!

Someone explain that to me. PLEASE!!!!

 

[csk]

Not totally disagreeing with you regarding plus minus.
But I feel the same way about "fancy stats".

Again. If Burmi has these wonderful possession and shot generation stats, why does he only have 46 assist in 269 games?

If he's so effective at generating shots... that makes ZERO SENSE!!!!!

Someone explain that to me. PLEASE!!!!

Some players biggest impact is being in the right zone more often then not. This does not necessarily correlate with being involved in the offense

 

[northendninja]

Darren Helm would look good with the jets..

according to sources close to him, he very much would like to play for the Jets.. the only issue is that hes apparently seeking $4mil per...

 

[Skidooboy]

according to sources close to him, he very much would like to play for the Jets.. the only issue is that hes apparently seeking $4mil per...

Some players biggest impact is being in the right zone more often then not. This does not necessarily correlate with being involved in the offense

So his biggest impact is? Nothing..... Playing a pointless net loss east west game with no real impact....
Why do I have to argue with people about this guy.

 

[Samcanadian]

according to sources close to him, he very much would like to play for the Jets.. the only issue is that hes apparently seeking $4mil per...

I'd extend Burmi for 3 years at @2 million per.

 

[GJF]

Not totally disagreeing with you regarding plus minus.
But I feel the same way about "fancy stats".

Again. If Burmi has these wonderful possession and shot generation stats, why does he only have 46 assist in 269 games?

If he's so effective at generating shots... that makes ZERO SENSE!!!!!

Someone explain that to me. PLEASE!!!!

Because he isn't a well producing offensive player. Nobody said he was. You obviously can't compare him to Frolik in those aspects of the game as Fro mostly played with Ladd and Little when he was a Jet.

Burmistrov always had very meh offensive linemates. Everyone on the Thrashers was very meh offensively in his two seasons with them. When he was a Jet, Noel buried him behind Jokinen who wasn't producing much better (which rightfully pissed him off) and had bad possession stats on top of it.

Why do you keep calling for top6 production out of a player we (Burmi believers) keep on calling a good third line option who, with productive linemates, can play well defensively and chip in a decent amount of offensive production RELATIVE to other players in a similar role? He's paid 1.5 M and is mostly given bottom 6 minutes while being very good on the PK. Why not just be happy with those facts? He won't be near the top 6 next season unless he somehow explodes offensively. I am happy with that and don't expect more out of Alex.

You're right, he could have and maybe should have produced more. But he hasn't. That's why he is paid what he is paid and plays the minutes he's playing. He seems to be okay with the role hes given on this roster and people should be, too.

 

[Samcanadian]

Because he isn't a well producing offensive player. Nobody said he was. You obviously can't compare him to Frolik in those aspects of the game as Fro mostly played with Ladd and Little when he was a Jet.

Burmistrov always had very meh offensive linemates. Everyone on the Thrashers was very meh offensively in his two seasons with them. When he was a Jet, Noel buried him behind Jokinen who wasn't producing much better (which rightfully pissed him off) and had bad possession stats on top of it.

Why do you keep calling for top6 production out of a player we (Burmi believers) keep on calling a good third line option who, with productive linemates, can play well defensively and chip in a decent amount of offensive production RELATIVE to other players in a similar role? He's paid 1.5 M and is mostly given bottom 6 minutes while being very good on the PK. Why not just be happy with those facts? He won't be near the top 6 next season unless he somehow explodes offensively. I am happy with that and don't expect more out of Alex.

You're right, he could have and maybe should have produced more. But he hasn't. That's why he is paid what he is paid and plays the minutes he's playing. He seems to be okay with the role hes given on this roster and people should be, too.

jets fans are weird. If he was being paid 3.5 million/year then maybe I'd be a little underwhelmed, but he's making slightly more than Thorburn.

 

[allan5oh]

according to sources close to him, he very much would like to play for the Jets.. the only issue is that hes apparently seeking $4mil per...

I've heard the same about Dale Weise as well. Too bad they're both going to likely ask too much.