Post-Game Talk: {AHL} Laval Rocket @ Belleville Senators (Finally Beat Those Bastards: Laval Wins 4-1)

[Andrei79]

All the kids were really good.

KK keeps playing well both ways and creating a lot of offense. Brook seems like he's starting to turn a corner. Fleury isn't a disaster defensively lately. Primeau has been very solid too.

Getting rid of net negative players has a positive impact on the rest of the team. The Rocket are playing solid hockey at both ends lately.

 

[waffledave]

Kotkaniemi and Hudon. Can this work in the NHL?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Kotkaniemi and Hudon. Can this work in the NHL?

It worked for Pacioretty and Desharnais

 

[Andrei79]

Kotkaniemi and Hudon. Can this work in the NHL?

No. There isn't an NHLer in Hudon unfortunately.

 

[ahmedou]

The Ahmedou's Translation:

Belleville = Uglycity

 

[Tyson]

I caught a good chunk of the third. I don't know if this is how they played all game, but in that third period, Laval had their working boots on. Great to see them win this one.

Team's commitment to defense has really improved

 

[BaseballCoach]

All the kids were really good.

KK keeps playing well both ways and creating a lot of offense. Brook seems like he's starting to turn a corner. Fleury isn't a disaster defensively lately. Primeau has been very solid too.

Getting rid of net negative players has a positive impact on the rest of the team. The Rocket are playing solid hockey at both ends lately.

But Matthew Peca was one of our GM's prized signings in July 2018! Totally worth 2 years at $1.3M per year, and it was totally NOT a blunder by some idiot on the staff who mistakenly offered twice what he was supposed to offer.

 

[Archijerej]

But Matthew Peca was one of our GM's prized signings in July 2018! Totally worth 2 years at $1.3M per year, and it was totally NOT a blunder by some idiot on the staff who mistakenly offered twice what he was supposed to offer.

Apparently, Peca had an offer for similar money and Bergevin had to add an extra year to convince him to sign.
It was a mistake by professional scouting, but an understandable one. Tampa seemed like producing quality players out of their rectum and Peca was the last guy to be cut from that roster.
May I remind you that our third best center (assuming Domi could play the position, which was not certain) at the time was Tomas Plekanec. Nobody dreamt of having Kotkaniemi on the roster. Peca's competition for a #4 spot was the mighty Michel Chaput.
It was a miss all right, but you know...there were reasons .

 

[417]

Kotkaniemi and Hudon. Can this work in the NHL?

they won't get near the same opportunity share as they're getting now in laval...so...no.

Plus I think Hudon is a classic NHL/AHL tweener.

 

[Tyson]

Apparently, Peca had an offer for similar money and Bergevin had to add an extra year to convince him to sign.
It was a mistake by professional scouting, but an understandable one. Tampa seemed like producing quality players out of their rectum and Peca was the last guy to be cut from that roster.
May I remind you that our third best center (assuming Domi could play the position, which was not certain) at the time was Tomas Plekanec. Nobody dreamt of having Kotkaniemi on the roster. Peca's competition for a #4 spot was the mighty Michel Chaput.
It was a miss all right, but you know...there were reasons .

Tampa let him walk, that's how much they thought of him

 

[DangerDave]

The Ahmedou's Translation:

Belleville = Uglycity

It actually used to be really ugly but they rebuilt the downtown after it was ravaged by a fire and poverty. It's now really pretty.

 

[WinterLion]

Kotkaniemi and Hudon. Can this work in the NHL?

Like Patches & Lil' DD

 

[WinterLion]

But Matthew Peca was one of our GM's prized signings in July 2018! Totally worth 2 years at $1.3M per year, and it was totally NOT a blunder by some idiot on the staff who mistakenly offered twice what he was supposed to offer.

At least we got a draft pick for him

 

[Treb]

Kotkaniemi and Hudon. Can this work in the NHL?

Tatar/Kovalchuk and KK.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Apparently, Peca had an offer for similar money and Bergevin had to add an extra year to convince him to sign.
It was a mistake by professional scouting, but an understandable one. Tampa seemed like producing quality players out of their rectum and Peca was the last guy to be cut from that roster.
May I remind you that our third best center (assuming Domi could play the position, which was not certain) at the time was Tomas Plekanec. Nobody dreamt of having Kotkaniemi on the roster. Peca's competition for a #4 spot was the mighty Michel Chaput.
It was a miss all right, but you know...there were reasons .

I wasn't born yesterday. Everyone in that boat (non-qualified RFAs who became UFA) was getting similar offers - one year at league minimum, at best, many of them two-way like Ouellet and also what the Habs apparently offered Duclair's agent.

When Bergevin authorized the second year for Peca, he or some other idiot mistakenly told Peca's agent $1.3M FOR TWO years, instead of OVER two years.

The rest is post-hoc rationalization. I know this pretty much 100% for sure, because the Habs briefly announced two years at minimum, then retracted/deleted it, followed by the embarrassing news later.

 

[sharks9]

I wasn't born yesterday. Everyone in that boat (non-qualified RFAs who became UFA) was getting similar offers - one year at league minimum, at best, many of them two-way like Ouellet and also what the Habs apparently offered Duclair's agent.

When Bergevin authorized the second year for Peca, he or some other idiot mistakenly told Peca's agent $1.3M FOR TWO years, instead of OVER two years.

The rest is post-hoc rationalization. I know this pretty much 100% for sure, because the Habs briefly announced two years at minimum, then retracted/deleted it, followed by the embarrassing news later.

Do you honestly think when Bergevin tells an agent something he can't change it? Or that the terms of the deal would be written wrong on every single part of the contract before it was signed?

What a ridiculous theory

 

[BaseballCoach]

Do you honestly think when Bergevin tells an agent something he can't change it? Or that the terms of the deal would be written wrong on every single part of the contract before it was signed?

What a ridiculous theory

It's not really a theory. The club announced the deal as $1.3M over two years at first then deleted it. It was probably in the contract and signed before anyone realized.

Either way, the organization is populated by idiots. They are either idiotic to mis-speak their intentions, or idiotic to give an AHLer a 2-year /$1.3M per year contract.

This is the same organization that one year earlier proudly gave a long-term rich contract to an "Iron Man" who in fact had been a healthy scratch in 7 important games just a month earlier, the same organization that passed on Ryan O'Reilly and the same organization that offered Milan Lucic $35M and was thankfully turned down.

 

[DAChampion]

It's not really a theory. The club announced the deal as $1.3M over two years at first then deleted it. It was probably in the contract and signed before anyone realized.

Either way, the organization is populated by idiots. They are either idiotic to mis-speak their intentions, or idiotic to give an AHLer a 2-year /$1.3M per year contract.

This is the same organization that one year earlier proudly gave a long-term rich contract to an "Iron Man" who in fact had been a healthy scratch in 7 important games just a month earlier, the same organization that passed on Ryan O'Reilly and the same organization that offered Milan Lucic $35M and was thankfully turned down.

There are a lot of issues with this organization, but I don't think that it's so bad that they overrated Peca. That kind of mistake can happen, even to competent leaders.

 

[sharks9]

It's not really a theory. The club announced the deal as $1.3M over two years at first then deleted it. It was probably in the contract and signed before anyone realized.

Either way, the organization is populated by idiots. They are either idiotic to mis-speak their intentions, or idiotic to give an AHLer a 2-year /$1.3M per year contract.

This is the same organization that one year earlier proudly gave a long-term rich contract to an "Iron Man" who in fact had been a healthy scratch in 7 important games just a month earlier, the same organization that passed on Ryan O'Reilly and the same organization that offered Milan Lucic $35M and was thankfully turned down.

What's more likely, throughout the entire process of contract negotiations they were accidentally discussing the wrong number? Or that the Twitter person accidentally made a mistake in the tweet?

He had very good AHL numbers and was a young player they hoped would improve, the only idiotic thing here is getting so massively upset that a possible 4th-line centre didn't work out.

 

[waffledave]

they won't get near the same opportunity share as they're getting now in laval...so...no.

Plus I think Hudon is a classic NHL/AHL tweener.

I have got such a soft spot for Hudon, always have.

 

[BaseballCoach]

What's more likely, throughout the entire process of contract negotiations they were accidentally discussing the wrong number? Or that the Twitter person accidentally made a mistake in the tweet?

He had very good AHL numbers and was a young player they hoped would improve, the only idiotic thing here is getting so massively upset that a possible 4th-line centre didn't work out.

Crap happens sometimes. The Leafs gave Jeff Finger a deal and thought they had signed Jon-Michael Liles.

The Predators traded for PK Subban and told the press they were excited because he was "very fast".

Gainey gave Jaro Spacek a 3-year deal and did not realize he was over 35. (Again, the original announcement said "34-year old Jaroslav Spacek", then it was deleted).

 

[417]

I have got such a soft spot for Hudon, always have.

Thing is...for him to succeed in the NHL, at whatever level he could potentially reach.

He needs more minutes then the Habs have ever been able to afford him.

 

[waffledave]

Crap happens sometimes. The Leafs gave Jeff Finger a deal and thought they had signed Jon-Michael Liles.

The Predators traded for PK Subban and told the press they were excited because he was "very fast".

Gainey gave Jaro Spacek a 3-year deal and did not realize he was over 35. (Again, the original announcement said "34-year old Jaroslav Spacek", then it was deleted).

Bergevin signed Karl Alzner because he thought it was John Carlson.

 

[JianYang]

Crap happens sometimes. The Leafs gave Jeff Finger a deal and thought they had signed Jon-Michael Liles.

The Predators traded for PK Subban and told the press they were excited because he was "very fast".

Gainey gave Jaro Spacek a 3-year deal and did not realize he was over 35. (Again, the original announcement said "34-year old Jaroslav Spacek", then it was deleted).

That was the year Montreal signed a million free agents in the summer. Maybe they got their releases mixed up, lol.

 

[Andrei79]

I like that every shift, KK and Hudon seem to produce something offensively. If only the goals can start coming for KK. Hudon could also start passing...