Adopting NBA Rules

[lomiller1]

Toronto did so good when there wasnt a salary cap last time.

Montreal was Canada's largest richest city and the NHL's largest hockey market until the 90's. What's the respective track record of the Leafs vs Habs from 1945 - 1995?

 

[milehigh11]

They also don't have guaranteed contracts. You'd have to redo the entire CBA for this and I don't see the NHLPA agreeing to it

You are confused. MLB & NBA have guaranteed contracts. only professional sport in North America that doesn't is NFL

 

[milehigh11]

MLB doesn't have a cap. But they instituted the luxury tax to prevent teams from spending excessive amounts.

The bigger markets in MLB are still right at the tax line which is still like 80 million over the salary cap. So this would be horrible for the NHL

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I like the hard cap, but if there ever was an adoption of a luxury cap surplus. I’d only want it brought in if the cost was draft picks. Build a rubric of X amount of Cap + costs you Y draft pick each start and/or end of season you are said amount over.

 

[karnige]

in the NBA because of the luxury tax and the insaneeee tv contract they have every team made money last year. except LeBron and the Cavs. and LeBron still has the audacity to conplain and want more help lol. mlb is just screwed. might as well make it a 12-15 team league. Tampa Bay received 45 million in luxury tax income from the big spenders and still loses a shit load of cash.

 

[Gentle Man]

Only if the luxury tax paid goes into the pockets of budget teams (internal) so that they have extra money and incentive to spend over the internal budget

So let the Leafs pay all the luxury tax they want and let them fund the salary for other teams

One of the things I like about the NBA salary structure is that they dont use AAV.

Instead they use actual dollars paid that year as the amount that goes against the cap.

 

[stampedingviking]

The NBA & MLB can spend beyond the cap ( luxury tax). Should the NHL adapt these rules?

Luxury tax (sports) - Wikipedia

No.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

No the NHL should not because this would help richer teams gain a advantage making the NHL go back somewhat to before the salary cap.

People always insist that it would kill small markets yet when you look at the NBA, it's not true at all. Golden State and Cleveland have owned the league for quite some time now. I'm not suggesting the NHL follows the NBA model, just that a luxury tax system wouldn't cripple smaller markets. The NBA has proven this. It's only an advantage if you have the proper people running things. That's why a team like the Knicks have been horrible for so long.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Only if the luxury tax paid goes into the pockets of budget teams (internal) so that they have extra money and incentive to spend over the internal budget

So let the Leafs pay all the luxury tax they want and let them fund the salary for other teams

One of the things I like about the NBA salary structure is that they dont use AAV.

Instead they use actual dollars paid that year as the amount that goes against the cap.

What's bizarre is that the owners and players agreed to the AAV structure. The owners demanded salaries to go down yet they had to of known that these cap circumvention types of deals would happen. Stuff like that is exactly why there will be another lockout. Nobody really benefits long-term on those wink wink deals.

 

[Whalers Fan]

People always insist that it would kill small markets yet when you look at the NBA, it's not true at all. Golden State and Cleveland have owned the league for quite some time now. I'm not suggesting the NHL follows the NBA model, just that a luxury tax system wouldn't cripple smaller markets. The NBA has proven this. It's only an advantage if you have the proper people running things. That's why a team like the Knicks have been horrible for so long.

You cannot compare the NBA and NHL in this way. In the NBA, all it takes is one superstar and a couple complementary to turn a bad team into a contender, as the starters spend a very high percentage of the time in the game -- 90% or more. In hockey, you need more than a superstar and a couple of good players to build a contender. Even the best forwards on an NHL team only play about 40% of the game, and the top defensemen closer to 50%.

 

[Spazkat]

You are confused. MLB & NBA have guaranteed contracts. only professional sport in North America that doesn't is NFL

I was somewhat mistaken. They both have guaranteed contracts available, MLB only a few types are exempt, and NBA some contracts have them if they are negotiated in, but not by default.

That said I don't see how people think this wouldn't be a huge advantage to wealthier teams. Using MLB as an example at the start of this year the highest cap team was at 225M and the lowest 60.8M. Think about applying that to the NHL and the massive amount of difference to a teams roster an extra 165 million dollars would make. Parity would absolutely become non-existent and smaller market teams would be effectively cannon fodder.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

People always insist that it would kill small markets yet when you look at the NBA, it's not true at all. Golden State and Cleveland have owned the league for quite some time now. I'm not suggesting the NHL follows the NBA model, just that a luxury tax system wouldn't cripple smaller markets. The NBA has proven this. It's only an advantage if you have the proper people running things. That's why a team like the Knicks have been horrible for so long.

Under no definition is the San Francisco Bay Area a small market.

 

[Silver Tuna]

MLB continues to make the luxury tax worse to the point where teams barely go over it now.
Basically they have to pick a window to go over it and then get back under it rather quickly.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I like the hard cap, but if there ever was an adoption of a luxury cap surplus. I’d only want it brought in if the cost was draft picks. Build a rubric of X amount of Cap + costs you Y draft pick each start and/or end of season you are said amount over.

then where do those lost draft picks go? You can't just eliminate them cause that means less people would be drafted

 

[Eisen]

then where do those lost draft picks go? You can't just eliminate them cause that means less people would be drafted

They'd be undrafted free agents, I assume.

 

[Mr Positive]

MLB continues to make the luxury tax worse to the point where teams barely go over it now.
Basically they have to pick a window to go over it and then get back under it rather quickly.

which is fine, because usually that is how cash strapped teams want to go anyway. If they see success coming quickly, they will quickly start spending to spur it on, and it will be worth it if they can have playoff revenue and hopefully grow the market. However, the issue there is that it is easier to spend to success in baseball than it is in hockey. Look at Arizona, who many said would take the next step after opening the wallet to bring in Hammer, Raanta, and Stepan (I think another piece or two as well that I'm forgetting). It didn't happen.

As for the NBA rule, I do think it is a good idea. Even with poor teams, if they have a true franchise player to throw money at, that player will be worth all that money easily. It could also spread out superstar talent, since on a team with two of them, only one could get the special deal, and the other one could request a trade to a team that doesn't have one.

 

[Newsworthy]

No. NBA has the worst situation in all of sports.
That is why players are paid so high. U never see true free agency in the NBA and fair trades are hard to come by without affecting the salary cap. Often players are traded away because of their contracts and teams receive draft picks to accept these bad deals.
Teams are always trying to find cap space to sign free agents
I love the NHL salary cap situation which is similar to the NFL
It creates more parity than the other sports. What the NHL should try to sell is non guaranteed contracts.
But I have no idea why the NFLPA even agrees to that

 

[Helistin]

They should call traveling more often.

 

[Newsworthy]

People always insist that it would kill small markets yet when you look at the NBA, it's not true at all. Golden State and Cleveland have owned the league for quite some time now. I'm not suggesting the NHL follows the NBA model, just that a luxury tax system wouldn't cripple smaller markets. The NBA has proven this. It's only an advantage if you have the proper people running things. That's why a team like the Knicks have been horrible for so long.

The NBA has proven you can create "Super Teams" with little to no parity.

 

[SotasicA]

Luxury tax just means some teams have a higher cap than others.

 

[PunkRockLocke]

We were one of the best teams from the late 90s to mid 00s (pre lockout).

And yeah without a hard cap we could stack our teams because we could afford it.

Zero cups = one of best teams?

Check your math.

 

[JadedLeaf]

then where do those lost draft picks go? You can't just eliminate them cause that means less people would be drafted

You could just eliminate them but if you didn't want to, than turn that teams draft pick into the last possible pick in the draft.

 

[Aladyyn]

Bird rights please.

 

[Aladyyn]

No. NBA has the worst situation in all of sports.
That is why players are paid so high. U never see true free agency in the NBA and fair trades are hard to come by without affecting the salary cap. Often players are traded away because of their contracts and teams receive draft picks to accept these bad deals.
Teams are always trying to find cap space to sign free agents
I love the NHL salary cap situation which is similar to the NFL
It creates more parity than the other sports. What the NHL should try to sell is non guaranteed contracts.
But I have no idea why the NFLPA even agrees to that

Yep, the worst situation. That's why its popularity is growing rapidly while other leagues stagnate.

 

[ColePens]

Yeah, still not good. There is already shared revenue for teams, and we don't need a team like Pittsburgh or Tampa having even more flexibility.

A team like Pittsburgh benefits from having a flat cap. Teams like NY or Toronto would benefit in this situation, not Pittsburgh.