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"mike green. fans here are going to hate him til he is gone"
Never change Tex
Why are people so confident Mike Green will be an 80 point defenseman somewhere else but don't believe he'll do it here?
After the Isles game, Steven Oleksy has outscored Mike Green at even strength over the past 41 games.
Why are people so confident Mike Green will be an 80 point defenseman somewhere else but don't believe he'll do it here?.
After the Isles game, Steven Oleksy has outscored Mike Green at even strength over the past 41 games
mike green. fans here are going to hate him til he is gone and then wonder how he got so good once he is gone. reality. same player skating in the greener grass. to coin a phrase.
the caps offense is designed around mike green. when green is gone there wont be another offensive d to trigger that offense like he does because his skill set and ability is at a unique level in today's league. its downhill after him.
my view is that ov and backy are scoring at league leader levels. green has a lot to do with that. the pp is #1 and he is the qb. the pk is #1 and he contributes regular to that. the caps are an offensively potent team and a winning team and green plays the most minutes.
he has lead the nhl defense in goals scored 3 times in his career. this is the wrong player to constantly whine about. go back to laich or brouwer.
His skill set is not unique.....this isnt 3-4 years ago
To me its pretty clear he isnt the QB on the PP these days, he is more an option. The PP runs off the half-boards....that position is the QB, just like it was when Oates ran it, just from the other side. From there is where the PP runs, the main option seems to be down low...with the point and slot being secondary. When 52 gets it and makes a quick decision with the puck, pass or shoot, he is doing well.....when he hesitates it generally means they re-group and re-enter. There is nothing really unique about what he does on the PP...and he certainly isnt running it
Really?
How come when Green is healthy our PP ends up in the top 5 in the league and when he is not it ends in the bottom half?
You can bash on Green in his own zone. You can bash on Green for being overpaid. You can make arguments here.
Bashing on him for not being a PP QB...ummm..ok
Saying he doesnt "run the PP" is bashing him? To me....its clear the PP runs through the player on the half boards....thats the QB
I am not sure how downhill it is. Mike in his offensive prime, we haven't gotten out of the second around. With an offensive juggernaut which fit him perfectly.
Maybe its not too steep a hill, unless you think Green's bad habits have ruined Carlson forever. There is a reason Carlson makes 4M. You just don't get to see them showcased because Green is a fixture on the PP.
Really?
How come when Green is healthy our PP ends up in the top 5 in the league and when he is not it ends in the bottom half?
You can bash on Green in his own zone. You can bash on Green for being overpaid. You can make arguments here.
Bashing on him for not being a PP QB...ummm..ok
07-08 PP ranking #8
08-09 PP ranking #2
09-10 PP ranking #1
10-11 PP ranking #16 (Green missed almost half the season)
11-12 PP ranking #18 (Green missed MORE than half the season)
12-13 PP ranking #1
13-14 PP ranking #1
I the 5 years where our PP was (is) in top form Green missed a total of 34 games.
In the 2 years where our PP was in the bottom half Green missed a total of 84 games.
In summary there is evidence to suggest that our PP goes as Green's health goes. I believe this to be irrefutable.
What is your point here? That they arent as good when one of their top paid players is out, as he often has been? None of this has anything to do with this seasons PP, which IMO runs through the man playing on the half-boards....which should not be a surprise seeing how the coach made a HoF career out of playing that way.
Now....maybe this is a definition issue. I think of the QB of a PP as the guy/position who the play "goes through". IMO that appears to be the guy on the half boards, usually 19. Thats the QB IMO....
To me you clearly insinuated that Green is not the motor that makes the PP go. If this is not the case I apologize. It appeared to me you were suggesting we could do just as well without him.
As long as you realize his vital importance on the PP then I agree.
he isnt the motor that makes it go.....he is important, yet not unique. What he does on the PP is nothing more than what you would expect a top paid offensive minded dman.
Of course its not as good without him....at least when he is not way off his game....but its not like they have a spare 6+ mil offensive minded dman to sub in when his head is in a fog....or just as realistic, when he is hurt.
Traditionally the term "PP QB" refers to one of the pointmen (most cases a dman)
But it matters little. The point is that our PP is top flight when Green is on it. When he is not then its middling.
I bring stats and trends to support my choice. You bring vague opinion with little (really NONE) evidence to back it up.
yes....your stats about past seasons, different coaches and systems, so compelling they are....
Thought my opinion was pretty detailed actually, did I use too many words that made it "vague"
what sort of evidence would you like to see to backup my outlandish claim that the PP runs through 19....if only 19 lead the NHL in PP points
He isn't the motor that makes it go? What facts do you have to base it on? I clearly showed you the rankings on a yearly basis that correlated directly with Green's health.
I agree.....him missing so many games, so often, has been a problem. Hopefully he can be counted on going forward to be healthy or effective when banged up but still getting a sweater
If Green goes to the right team i think he could get offensively back to what he used to be during his best years. He just needs to pick up his game again and get paired with good shut-down D.
Thats what makes my stats even more compelling. Tho different coaches have been around the one constant is that our PP ranking is DIRECTLY correlated to Green's health.
Whatever "runs through" means to you is irrelevant. I'm telling you that Green is vital to the success of our PP. Without him our PP is average.