Speculation: Acq./Rost. Bldg./Cap Part LXI ‎(FA sorta-Frenzy 2015) (Ward to SJ)

[Blades of Steel]

Yeah, Im all in on trading Brouwer for whatever and bringing back Ward to fill that role.

Offer him the same contract as Williams.

i said before, if Ward takes a contract identical to Williams, then

Would be elite.

 

[Raikkonen]

RE: Moving Bowey- Would be foolish in any trade. He is Carlson with grit.

I think it's far from true. At the same age Carlson wore an A for his WJC team and scored big time no look overtime goal in the final.

He's already in the bottom of Norris consideration, played in Olympics and is big, tough, durable player.

I do not think Bowey will be close to that.

Also, having Carlson at #1D position is good. Having Carlson-like player at #5 is another story in terms of result influence. We can live without it just as good.

It may be even more beneficial to have designated defensive specialist at that #5 or #6.

 

[BobRouse]

GMBM has the advantage of 2 players who are still sitting here waiting to sign. The more they wait the better term we will get them with. I mean Ward and Fehr.

There are also prospects of keeping Ward and/or Fehr beyond next year. Which isn't that clear with Brouwer.

I'd do this swap if I'm GMBM. Trade Brouwer for anything and sign Ward.

Getting Backes would be fantastic but it's a pipedream or will be total overpayment. Trading Brouwer and signing Ward will give us more assets and good position for the deadline.

But... Backes with 4,5M caphit is what we could use for the all in season. If it's without Bura and Kuz, send them Bowey, Vrana, any picks and even LOB! Just I don't believe it, too. Oshie is the more probable target.

Hugely stupid mistake if they do.

I don't think you realize just how good Bowey is alone. Vrana is going to be an electrifying player too.

Backes has been underwhelming in the playoffs. I like him but not at the price it will take to bring him in.

I think it's far from true. At the same age Carlson wore an A for his WJC team and scored big time no look overtime goal in the final.

He's already in the bottom of Norris consideration, played in Olympics and is big, tough, durable player.

I do not think Bowey will be close to that.

Also, having Carlson at #1D position is good. Having Carlson-like player at #5 is another story in terms of result influence. We can live without it just as good.

It may be even more beneficial to have designated defensive specialist at that #5 or #6.

I watched Carlson in that WJC. He was good.

I watched Bowey in several recent OHL playoff games. He was VERY good.

Bowey is just as big as Carlson, can skate just as well and is more physical. He has a wicked shot too.

http://www.pennlive.com/hersheybears/index.ssf/2015/06/mark_frenchs_scouting_report_o.html

"The first thing is that he was a dynamic player from the back end. He's got a great shot from the point, which made him a threat 5-on-5. But on the power play, he was a real threat back there. He's got a real nose of when to jump up. He's a fluid skater for a guy who possesses good size, as well. He's got an edge to him that allows him to defend as well as using that size.

"Obviously, as the captain of the team, he had some intangible things going on that allowed him to lead the team that won the Western Hockey League championship. I think he's got a lot of things to be really excited about. I think he's a pretty well-rounded player."


In fact I like what I saw from Bowey just as much if not more. If Orpik's play dips, age stands to reason, Bowey will be ready.

 

[Langway]

Oshie's a lot like Brouwer (top 6 winger regular season, postseason ghost). Maybe they trade him for futures and then replace him with someone with a good postseason record, but we're not in a position to offer them that directly. And at the end of the day, we don't need another Brouwer. We already have one too many.

I don't think Brouwer is even a regular season top sixer from a possession standpoint whereas Oshie is and could have more success if he gelled with either of their centers or fares better in the East. The upshot for St. Louis would be the one less year on the contract and maybe building a shutdown line. I guess the question is whether that's an objective for them and whether Washington wants to move what could be their shutdown RWer. Does Washington want a shutdown line third line or something more offensive-minded? Of course, for shutdown duty Ward is a superior option.

Brouwer is more physical and has a better PPG track record so maybe Armstrong/Hitchcock would take the swap. It would likely take a sweetener of some sort but I'd give it a chance. The bar to surpass Brouwer's 5-on-5 possession game is incredibly low.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Who are some forwards who have been traded with 1 year remaining?

Ribeiro went for a 2nd and a prospect. I'm sure I'm missing other more recent ones. I'd assume those returns are the basis for a Backes deal. Which again begs the question, why would St. Louis do it?

 

[Raikkonen]

I watched Carlson in that WJC. He was good.

I watched Bowey in several recent OHL playoff games. He was VERY good.

In fact I like what I saw from Bowey just as much if not more. If Orpik's play dips, age stands to reason, Bowey will be ready.

Well, maybe Bowey is good. But he is far from being impact defender.

Aging Ovi is the most important factor here.

Backes can help now.

Bowey can't. He's not critical.

Vrana, I agree, could be much more prepared. But Backes is the best center we would have in... I don't know, many years.

Just imagine 3rd line of Burakovsky-Backes and some other guy.

 

[NoMoreChoking]

Imagine if we got another RW via trade for the 2nd line??

Sharp, Oshie? Without overpaying.

Awesome

 

[BobRouse]

Well, maybe Bowey is good. But he is far from being impact defender.

Aging Ovi is the most important factor here.

Backes can help now.

Bowey can't. He's not critical.

Vrana, I agree, could be much more prepared. But Backes is the best center we would have in... I don't know, many years.

Just imagine 3rd line of Burakovsky-Backes and some other guy.

My take

Bowey is going to be a stud top pairing D. Those guys are few and far between.

Caps didn't want to trade a young Carlson for Chris Pronger. They certainly shouldn't trade Bowey for an underwhelming playoff player in Backes.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I'd prefer a more natural goal-scorer than Backes. JVR is probably the best combo of skill, age, and contract that's potentially available. Simmonds would be up there, but I doubt he's available to us.

 

[Langway]

Who are some forwards who have been traded with 1 year remaining?

Ribeiro went for a 2nd and a prospect. I'm sure I'm missing other more recent ones. I'd assume those returns are the basis for a Backes deal. Which again begs the question, why would St. Louis do it?

ROR, Lucic, Spezza and Kesler in the past two years. Backes should fetch more than Ribeiro since he's not damaged goods but for St. Louis I doubt they're interested in exclusively futures given what stage they're in. Maybe for Berglund or Oshie but I'd think something involving Backes has to include some immediate help.

I'd love to expand a STL deal and do something like Johansson+Brouwer+ for Berglund+Oshie. Solves RW and 3C.

 

[strungout]

My take

Bowey is going to be a stud top pairing D. Those guys are few and far between.

Caps didn't want to trade a young Carlson for Chris Pronger. They certainly shouldn't trade Bowey for an underwhelming playoff player in Backes.

Window is closing man.

While I'm with you on Bowey...that window is closing. At some point...gotta pull the trigger on something bigger to make the run. Yeah, could get burned like they did with the Erat trade...but that happens far less with these deals during the offseason.

I'd prefer to move Carrick if they are going to move a d man....but Bowey is going to be the commodity to get the bigger player.

 

[Capitlols]

Top pairer? I don't see that in Bowey.

 

[Roughing]

I think Bowey is a tad overrated and if someone really likes him I certainly move him. Like everyone else I want one more move... Oshie, JVR, Vrbata, someone. I also want Laich gone but it's not gonna happen so dump him on the 4th line and let him kill every damn penalty we get.

Brouwer sure seems like the best idea to go out. Last year of deal, reasonable money, and numbers that are far better than his actual performance. I mean, I'd keep Troy over Brooks if all else was equal, but it's not.

Would our 2016 1st/Brouwer/Bowey get a good top6 winger in here?

Ov - Kuz - Williams
Bura - Nick - trade
Mojo - Beagle - Wilson
Chim - Laich - Latta

 

[stanleycaps18]

Shedding Brouwer to keep Ward and Fehr would be my preference.

Williams > (x1000) Brouwer (and I have liked much of what Brouwer has contributed to the team and am not a downer on him).

 

[Roughing]

If the Caps get Williams and Ward will the universe explode come playoff time?

 

[hockeykicker]

Jeremy Rutherford
@jprutherford
Hearing a lot of chatter on the trade front. #stlblues

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

ROR, Lucic, Spezza and Kesler in the past two years. Backes should fetch more than Ribeiro since he's not damaged goods but for St. Louis I doubt they're interested in exclusively futures given what stage they're in. Maybe for Berglund or Oshie but I'd think something involving Backes has to include some immediate help.

I'd love to expand a STL deal and do something like Johansson+Brouwer+ for Berglund+Oshie. Solves RW and 3C.

I would be fully on board with that even though I have a soft spot for the Blues (Caps west!).

 

[strungout]

Jeremy Rutherford
@jprutherford
Hearing a lot of chatter on the trade front. #stlblues

 

[BobRouse]

Window is closing man.

While I'm with you on Bowey...that window is closing. At some point...gotta pull the trigger on something bigger to make the run. Yeah, could get burned like they did with the Erat trade...but that happens far less with these deals during the offseason.

I'd prefer to move Carrick if they are going to move a d man....but Bowey is going to be the commodity to get the bigger player.

Have to disagree with you here.

The best moves are the ones you don't make many times. We traded Forsberg and that indeed was a big mistake. Trading Bowey will be one too.

Also...Backes and Oshie are not going to put us over the top come playoff time. They tend to wilt.

Top pairer? I don't see that in Bowey.

Why not?

He was the best Dman in the WHL.

He was key cog in Canada's WJC team and produced.

He has been the captain of his team and a high scoring Dman.

He can skate. Is big. Is physical (he can fight a bit too). He has a wicked shot. He is smart. He has intangibles.

He projects to be a very good all around dman similar to his teammate Morrissey who is highly touted himself.

 

[Blades of Steel]

cmon Bmac, keep on working your magic. If anyone needs convincing put Trotz on the phone

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Have to disagree with you here.

The best moves are the ones you don't make many times. We traded Forsberg and that indeed was a big mistake. Trading Bowey will be one too.

Also...Backes and Oshie are not going to put us over the top come playoff time. They tend to wilt.

Trading Forsberg was not a mistake. Trading Forsberg for Erat was a mistake.

Conservative teams don't win. See: Washington Capitals 2004-2012.

 

[hockeykicker]

Further on numbers for new Red Wings, Mike Green might be wearing 25. Jonathan Ericsson to keep 52.

 

[BobRouse]

Trading Forsberg was not a mistake. Trading Forsberg for Erat was a mistake.

Conservative teams don't win. See: Washington Capitals 2004-2012.

So trading Bowey for a playoff choker is a good idea? Thats what we are talking about here.

I'd love to expand a STL deal and do something like Johansson+Brouwer+ for Berglund+Oshie. Solves RW and 3C.

So...trade 2 vilified players who are playoff "chokers". In return get two playoff chokers making MORE money.

Problem solved??? Do tell how

 

[Roughing]

C'mon, BMac. Get a ****in winner in here.

 

[strungout]

So trading Bowey for a playoff choker is a good idea? Thats what we are talking about here.



So...trade 2 vilified players who are playoff "chokers". In return get two playoff chokers making MORE money.

Problem solved??? Do tell how

St Louis as a whole is a bad playoff team....I wouldn't put that all square on Oshie or Backes. Chokers? Thats a bit much.

Put them on a team like this...tides can turn...especially with adding a Williams and if they can get Ward back.