Post-Game Talk: #80: FLYERS at Stars, Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 8:30 p.m. ET

[Striiker]

Scrubs are easily a reason you lose a game when they're relied upon heavily.

Well Hagg singlehandedly caused a goal against last night with that horrible turnover HOWEVER I’ve been told scoring goals doesnt matter so I guess it didn’t hurt us?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

TK isn't a great player

2018-19: xGP -0.305, EV GAR 1.3, PP GAR 1.9, Pen GAR 1.6
2017-18: xGP 0.065, EV GAR 10.2, PP GAR -1.5, Pen GAR 1.3
2016-17: xGP -0.117, EV GAR 3.1, PP GAR -0.3, Pen GAR 2.1

He's really regressed this season, though he's becoming a positive on the PP, his ES play sucks.
His one strength is drawing penalties.

Lindblom
2018-19: xGP 0.118, EV GAR 4.2, PP GAR -0.2, Pen GAR 1.1

Lindblom doesn't have TK's raw talent, but he's bigger, smarter and tougher.

At 5v5, he's a support player dependent on linemates much the way JVR is, albeit with different strengths and weaknesses. They absolutely cannot be on a line together. I'm not sure even Couts could make it work.

 

[deadhead]

I think there's hope for TK, he took a step forward last year, a step back this year, especially after Gordon took over. But he's only 21.

Different strokes for different folks, I think TK is one of those guys who needs hard coaching, it's not his motor that's in question but his hockey IQ, he needs to be sat on to keep him focused. I like him on a speed third line where he can skate and force the action, not on a top line with veterans where he is asked to play a more deliberate game - some players get in trouble when they think too much.

Voracek is what he is, he played harder this year, but he lacks the compete that's innate in someone like Giroux.
Some players like to make plays, some hate to lose.

I'm not sure what to make of JVR going forward, he skated much better the last couple months and was a solid winger in Toronto, albeit in a protected role with a veteran center (Bozak). JVR - Couts - Giroux (who started out as a RW, so it's not a stretch) might be worth going with next year - would JVR fit with Frost and ??? at RW. And if so, where does Farabee play?

 

[macleish1974]

"We are garbage - bah bah bah bah bah bah bah."

Blah, Blah, Blah,Blah.......

Hey Dave, how did you make out in the floods??

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think there's hope for TK, he took a step forward last year, a step back this year, especially after Gordon took over. But he's only 21.

Different strokes for different folks, I think TK is one of those guys who needs hard coaching, it's not his motor that's in question but his hockey IQ, he needs to be sat on to keep him focused. I like him on a speed third line where he can skate and force the action, not on a top line with veterans where he is asked to play a more deliberate game - some players get in trouble when they think too much.

Voracek is what he is, he played harder this year, but he lacks the compete that's innate in someone like Giroux.
Some players like to make plays, some hate to lose.

I'm not sure what to make of JVR going forward, he skated much better the last couple months and was a solid winger in Toronto, albeit in a protected role with a veteran center (Bozak). JVR - Couts - Giroux (who started out as a RW, so it's not a stretch) might be worth going with next year - would JVR fit with Frost and ??? at RW. And if so, where does Farabee play?

Completely false. His stats are about the same. If he had a single extra point his production would be the same.

Hence why a critique of Gordon is that he isn't letting TK off the leash, just as it was for that moron Hakstol.

I'm sure this is where you'll respond by knowingly lying via dishonest usage of statistics.

 

[Adtar02]

Lol. Using different stats now. Lol. What a joke.

 

[Adtar02]

Completely false. His stats are about the same. If he had a single extra point his production would be the same.

Hence why a critique of Gordon is that he isn't letting TK off the leash, just as it was for that moron Hakstol.

I'm sure this is where you'll respond by knowingly lying via dishonest usage of statistics.

i do think tk was more responsible defensively with hak. As he would be benched if not. But the whole team was. Gordon system isn’t as rigid. Funny cause I think one was too rigid it sucked the life out of the players. And the other is too free flying and slowing for bad habits.

It’s a wonder that these were the two system that the players were coached in this org. Like let’s teach the kids the complete opposite of what we will do in the nhl at the ahl level. Speaks volumes for the ability of the brass/hexy to judge coaching and nhl readiness

 

[Beef Invictus]

i do think tk was more responsible defensively with hak. As he would be benched if not. But the whole team was. Gordon system isn’t as rigid. Funny cause I think one was too rigid it sucked the life out of the players. And the other is too free flying and slowing for bad habits.

It’s a wonder that these were the two system that the players were coached in this org. Like let’s teach the kids the complete opposite of what we will do in the nhl at the ahl level. Speaks volumes for the ability of the brass/hexy to judge coaching and nhl readiness

Yeah, we had opposite coaches and it didn't make a lot of sense. Hextall was bad at coach selection.

You would think it wouldn't be this hard to find a happy medium between the two.

 

[baudib1]

Konecny's had the same exact season he had last year, it's not a step back. If anything he showed some nice progress in becoming a positive possession player and creating offense on his own while not playing with the team's elite playmakers.

 

[Curufinwe]

As for the the PK, people used to say Laughton sucked defensively, so it’s not as if being a PK player is reserved for hockey geniuses. If he can manage than who says Konecny couldn’t play there too? It’s worth a shot and even just the shorthanded threat could make an impact. Just look at how our PP regularly gets burned by fast PKers.

TK should take over for Laughton on the PK, got it.

 

[Lindberg]

I beg to differ. Or is there not much reason to pay the remainder of their contracts for the year after they were eliminated?

To be realistic the chance of injury on the job is pretty high. They aren't going to the playoffs so if I was playing I wouldn't put myself in a position for that to happen. Finish the season out, train hard in the summer, and come back next season better. That's how I would look at it anyways.

 

[Striiker]

TK should take over for Laughton on the PK, got it.

Not "take over", just added to the rotation to see how it goes. What did we have to lose? He could have just replaced the little amount of time Knight was taking up.

And should I take the lack of response as you agreeing with what I said about the 5v5 icetime/lineup? We know it's possible, dipshit Hakstol managed, so there's no excuse for it to not increase next year.

In the 2nd half of last year TK averaged 15:17 at even strength (16:30 total, but that was with getting scratched during the Hakshell)...
In the 2nd half of this year he's averaging 13:38 at even strength (14:56 total).

It's going in the wrong direction, through not fault of his own. He's been playing great.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Blah, Blah, Blah,Blah.......

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Hey Dave, how did you make out in the floods??

We didn't have any floods, Mac.

 

[GKJ]

Gordor cares more about winning games then player development since he is coaching for his job. That's what it boils down to.

If that was the case, then he wouldn't have played Morin and Talbot in a game where they could've been eliminated on Saturday, much less it being against a team they needed to catch.

 

[Rebels57]

If that was the case, then he wouldn't have played Morin and Talbot in a game where they could've been eliminated on Saturday, much less it being against a team they needed to catch.

Fair enough.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I am glad I went to bed early. went to bed shortly after Ghost tied it. checked the score in the morning before work and I was like meh, whatever.
I hope Hart(presuming he plays Saturday) goes out and plays well. Other than that, whatever man.

 

[1865]

TK should take over for Laughton on the PK, got it.

I would want to see one of our PKers have the devastating pace on the breakaway that TK has. Just puts that thought into the back of their mind that the cross-ice pass (our biggest weakness) could be disastrous.

 

[deadhead]

You want Frost or Farabee on the PK in that case, smart players with good to great speed.
TK is a loose cannon at 5x5, scary to imagine him on the PK, Leier had very good speed but was an awful PK'er.

 

[Curufinwe]

Laughton is also pretty quick, so we should probably replace Couturier or Lindblom with Konency.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

What’s happened here even after the playoffs got out of reach has been pretty disappointing.

I’m very concerned by the fact that Hagg couldn’t find himself on the bench just once after Morin became available. Looks like he’ll be a staple next season.

And not giving some younger phantoms with some upside a cup of coffee during this time while continuing to roll VDV equivalents out there (Varone, Knight, etc) is just asinine.

What has transpired with Talbot has been head scratcher as well.

 

[TCTC]

I think Konecny on the PK would be a terrible idea.