Post-Game Talk: #68: FLYERS 5 at Islanders 2, Saturday, Mar. 9, 2019, 7:00 pm ET

[Tripod]

Sorry Dead, this seasons non-playoff falls squarely on Hak. The goalies WERE healthy to start the season. Maybe he should have played Sanheim more and gotten those wins a different way....by scoring more.

Yes and Yes.

Hakstol got a mediocre team to the playoffs 2 of 3 years, and was deep sixed by his GM giving him zero healthy goaltenders to start the season.
No coach can succeed with a .880 S%. Q could only lead Chicago to 76 points with goaltenders posting a .911 S% last year.

So yea, Hakstol exceeded reasonable expectations for a rebuilding team with half the roster composed of marginal NHL players (as so many have reiterated for four years).
If Lyon hadn't gotten injured in August, and could have carried the team until Elliott was healthy and Hart was ready, we're in the playoffs.
He didn't have to be good, just mediocre and we have 6-8 more points.

 

[freakydallas13]

There was a shift in the second I think where Patrick, G, and JVR where in the offensive zone with Myers and Ghost, and they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters out there keeping the puck away from the Islanders.

How bad is Grondo that he can't see he should be doing that every chance he gets? Because watching that shift was like watching precision art in progress.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Sorry Dead, this seasons non-playoff falls squarely on Hak. The goalies WERE healthy to start the season. Maybe he should have played Sanheim more and gotten those wins a different way....by scoring more.

They had a league-worst save %, by far, up to Hak’s fire date.

 

[Adtar02]

If jake is suspended that’s a joke. Looks like he saw him coming and decides to to brace for it and throw some momentum back.

Hit was in jakes back. Not a head shot as he should be allowed to do this if not it’s a blindside charging

 

[Magua]

Couldn't have been that bad of a hit if there's no main boards thread.

 

[Tripod]

They had a league-worst save %, by far, up to Hak’s fire date.

ok....I never said they didn't. Maybe they should have fixed the PK. Maybe they should have changed their style of play. Maybe they should have played their puzzy Dman Sanheim more than Folin. Maybe not demote a 2nd liner to the 4th line and promote Weise. Etc...

He could have done a number of things, and didn't. And the things he did, were dumb. Haks inability to adjust and poor communication ran it's course.

 

[Domino666]

If jake is suspended that’s a joke. Looks like he saw him coming and decides to to brace for it and throw some momentum back.

Hit was in jakes back. Not a head shot as he should be allowed to do this if not it’s a blindside charging

If Jake doesn’t see Boychuk then what? He gets destroyed and then we would have to suffer through more stupid reffing and even more idiotic DoPS explanations

 

[baudib1]

Charlie's write up on this game, detailing Provorov's game and breaking down one crazy Myers shift, is worth the price of subscription. Flyers 5, Islanders 2: 10 things we learned from a...

 

[Starat327]

Its baffling to me that in this day and age there are people who think save percentage is squarely on goalies and not influenced by system.

 

[Striiker]

Couldn't have been that bad of a hit if there's no main boards thread.

After the Tavares saga I think Islanders fans know better than to go on the main boards.

 

[Jtown]

Its baffling to me that in this day and age there are people who think save percentage is squarely on goalies and not influenced by system.

Goalie play in general is dependent upon so much more than just the goalie. As much as I like Hart , i know he is not the savior and I hope this organization does not get too attached. I think the the key with goaltenders is to have a ton of them, and not have any signed to bad contracts. Right now goalie is our deepest position and I hope we keep drafting them.

 

[Starat327]

Goalie play in general is dependent upon so much more than just the goalie. As much as I like Hart , i know he is not the savior and I hope this organization does not get too attached. I think the the key with goaltenders is to have a ton of them, and not have any signed to bad contracts. Right now goalie is our deepest position and I hope we keep drafting them.

This is the complete opposite end of the spectrum and equally as wrong.

 

[Jtown]

This is the complete opposite end of the spectrum and equally as wrong.

again i disagree. Greiss and and lehner are proving that right now.

 

[kudymen]

When is the hearing? I don't remember if the tweet mentioned it and I failed to find it on my phone

 

[Lotusflower]

Hart is awesome but unless he's Hasek your 1C/2C and top 4 defense are all gonna be more indicative of longterm success.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

ok....I never said they didn't. Maybe they should have fixed the PK. Maybe they should have changed their style of play. Maybe they should have played their puzzy Dman Sanheim more than Folin. Maybe not demote a 2nd liner to the 4th line and promote Weise. Etc...

He could have done a number of things, and didn't. And the things he did, were dumb. Haks inability to adjust and poor communication ran it's course.

How is Hak still being defended? WTF

 

[deadhead]

Goalie play in general is dependent upon so much more than just the goalie. As much as I like Hart , i know he is not the savior and I hope this organization does not get too attached. I think the the key with goaltenders is to have a ton of them, and not have any signed to bad contracts. Right now goalie is our deepest position and I hope we keep drafting them.

S% is a quick and dirty proxy, S% for scoring chances and high danger scoring chances would be more accurate, as it accounts for whether the defense is allowing good scoring opportunities.

If you look at the underlying metrics, there is very little change since Gordon took over, the biggest changes have been the goalie play (a huge improvement in S% in all situations) and shooting % on the PP.

Scapegoating Hakstol doesn't change the underlying reality that this is not a good team, that it is only competitive with above average goaltending (see the Caps game), and that continued improvement, not just a new coach, is required.

 

[OzFlyers]

 

[kudymen]

Hi Jake!

 

[Starat327]

again i disagree. Greiss and and lehner are proving that right now.

One instance does not make a rule. There are very few examples of an exceptional coach getting buy in from their team to prove this point. Before this, Trotz had several vezina candidates/winners.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I typed in Voracek’s name into the twitter search & saw some guy complaining about how North American’s refer to him as “Jake” & not “Jakub”.

 

[DaphneLion]

You might be the one unblocked flyers fan on all of twitter

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You might be the one unblocked flyers fan on all of twitter

I’m not blocked. But I don’t actually tweet anything.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What a f***ing joke of a call. 2 games for Jake.

 

[Striiker]

AHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHH WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

This league is an absolute joke. That's one of the worst decisions I've ever seen out of this joke of a DoPS.