OT: 67th Obsequious Banter Thread: At Least We’re Not The Leafs, Right?

[Oskar Man]

Judgment Day was the first ever album i owned. It is still my favorite Method Man record.

Liquid Swords is my favorite of the bunch, but i would likely rate Judgment Day higher, simply for the nostalgic purposes.

Ghostface has the best all around discography, though, IMO.

Agreed on Ghost

Liquid Swords and Ironman are my favorites. They absolutely dominated rap in the mid-90's before it really started getting commercialized. It seemed like every other week there was a new Wu album dropped that was actually good. Unlike that shitty south No Limit stuff that followed the same pattern a few years later

 

[Sombastate]

I have a theory that Nas actually ruined Hip Hop (i know this theory isn't exclusive to me).

Early 90s you had De La Soul (produced by Prince Paul), Gangstarr (DJ Premier), Pete Rock and CL Smooth, and a list of other rappers working almost exclusively with one beat maker.

Then Nas had Illmatic where it was a list of All Star Producers. A few years later it became cool to blow your budget on whoever was popular at the time, and you started screaming the producer's name on the track just to accentuate that more often.

I'd really like to see an alternative universe without Illmatic.

My favorite Hip Hop records to this day are Rip the Jacker (Canibus), Nia and Blazing Arrow (Blackalicious), Illadelph Halflife (The Roots), all of which had a singular sonic approach due to one beat maker handling the production.

 

[BigToe]

I have a theory that Nas actually ruined Hip Hop (i know this theory isn't exclusive to me).

Early 90s you had De La Soul (produced by Prince Paul), Gangstarr (DJ Premier), Pete Rock and CL Smooth, and a list of other rappers working almost exclusively with one beat maker.

Then Nas had Illmatic where it was a list of All Star Producers. A few years later it became cool to blow your budget on whoever was popular at the time, and you started screaming the producer's name on the track just to accentuate that more often.

I'd really like to see an alternative universe without Illmatic.

My favorite Hip Hop records to this day are Rip the Jacker (Canibus), Nia and Blazing Arrow (Blackalicious), Illadelph Halflife (The Roots), all of which had a singular sonic approach due to one beat maker handling the production.

Hip hop isn’t ruined.

 

[Sombastate]

Hip hop isn’t ruined.

Hip Hop for "Me" is a better statement. But you are right. I should stick with "Hip Hop changed"

I became disenchanted with Hip Hop for uniquely personal reasons, but I still think there is some decent stuff out there.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Hip Hop for "Me" is a better statement. But you are right. I should stick with "Hip Hop changed"

I became disenchanted with Hip Hop for uniquely personal reasons, but I still think there is some decent stuff out there.

I really don't listen to hip hop or rap, but I really do like Run The Jewels.

 

[Sombastate]

I really don't listen to hip hop or rap, but I really do like Run The Jewels.

I maintain that Black Thought is the greatest rapper of all time. So The Roots are the only time i get excited for Hip Hop in general.

I would love some new Andre 3000 stuff, though. RtJ is quite phenomenal, but it just doesn't grip me past a couple of listens.

 

[Lotusflower]

Hip Hop for "Me" is a better statement. But you are right. I should stick with "Hip Hop changed"

I became disenchanted with Hip Hop for uniquely personal reasons, but I still think there is some decent stuff out there.

Hip-hop, as an overarching culture not just the music, might be the most important cultural creation to emerge in the 20th century. It's easily the most all-encompassing. Its been the dominant youth culture in the world for going on 30 years now.

It simply got so big and ubiquitous that it could no longer be policed and defined by those who actually had a cultural connection to the roots of the format. Its dominance begets a natural progression to adaptation.

Which is why for many non-english speakers the first english word they know is the n-word

 

[Tripod]

@Captain Dave Poulin hope you are at watching/taping the Bachelor Reunion that's on right now.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

@Captain Dave Poulin hope you are at watching/taping the Bachelor Reunion that's on right now.

I won't watch until tomorrow.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

@Captain Dave Poulin hope you are at watching/taping the Bachelor Reunion that's on right now.

This is the most cringe show that has ever been made, and this episode in particular is blazing new trails in the art of cringe. I might actually puke blood.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Agreed on Ghost

Liquid Swords and Ironman are my favorites. They absolutely dominated rap in the mid-90's before it really started getting commercialized. It seemed like every other week there was a new Wu album dropped that was actually good. Unlike that ****ty south No Limit stuff that followed the same pattern a few years later

Love this album. GZA came through NYC and Philly doing it within the last week. We were going to the Manhattan show because it was with a full band, but had to swap for the Philly one last minute. Outstanding show. Well worth it if it comes around again.

My favorite Hip Hop records to this day are Rip the Jacker (Canibus), Nia and Blazing Arrow (Blackalicious), Illadelph Halflife (The Roots), all of which had a singular sonic approach due to one beat maker handling the production.

The Low End Theory. It’s perfect.



While we’re on music, look at this steaming pile that’s all over my timeline tonight. My man has the same awful taste as noted Bon Jovi acolyte @Captain Dave Poulin

 

[Sombastate]

Hip-hop, as an overarching culture not just the music, might be the most important cultural creation to emerge in the 20th century. It's easily the most all-encompassing. Its been the dominant youth culture in the world for going on 30 years now.

It simply got so big and ubiquitous that it could no longer be policed and defined by those who actually had a cultural connection to the roots of the format. Its dominance begets a natural progression to adaptation.

Which is why for many non-english speakers the first english word they know is the n-word

Oh, i'm aware. I was a giant Hip Hop Head growing up. I was one of those pretentious guys who only listened to "Real Hip Hop."

I'm only critical of it because of the impact it had on my life, and what i experienced as I aged. Still holds a very dear place in my heart. Especially between 98-2006

Edit: I had no idea that most non-english speakers' first word was that. That's really strange, but interesting.

 

[Sombastate]

Love this album. GZA came through NYC and Philly doing it within the last week. We were going to the Manhattan show because it was with a full band, but had to swap for the Philly one last minute. Outstanding show. Well worth it if it comes around again.



The Low End Theory. It’s perfect.

Low End Theory is magical. I have it in my top 20 Hip Hop records of all time.

I'm gonna post that later. I enjoy Hip Hop chats. My roommate is a Hip Hop Journalist and whenever he's in town, its my favorite conversation

 

[Beef Invictus]

Love this album. GZA came through NYC and Philly doing it within the last week. We were going to the Manhattan show because it was with a full band, but had to swap for the Philly one last minute. Outstanding show. Well worth it if it comes around again.



The Low End Theory. It’s perfect.



While we’re on music, look at this steaming pile that’s all over my timeline tonight. My man has the same awful taste as noted Bon Jovi acolyte @Captain Dave Poulin

Has that Tweeter not heard of Michigan, Illinois, New York, or California? Each of those states demolishes NJ.

 

[Sombastate]

For Anyone interested:

My Top 20 Hip Hop Records

De La Soul	Stakes Is High	1996
The Last Emperor	Music, Magic, Myth	2003
The Roots	Game Theory	2006
Astronautalis	This Is Our Science	2011
Nas	Illmatic	1994
Eminem	The Marshall Mathers LP	2000
A Tribe Called Quest	The Low End Theory	1991
De La Soul	Buhloon Mindstate	1993
Louis Logic	Misery Loves Comedy	2006
The Roots	Do You Want More?!?	1994
Mos Def	Black On Both Sides	1999
Jedi Mind Tricks	Violent By Design	2000
Common	Like Water for Chocolate	2000
Outkast	Aquemini	1998
Pete Rock and CL Smooth	The Main Ingredient	1994
Lauryn Hill	The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill	1996
Blackalicious	Blazing Arrow	2002
The Roots	Illadelph Halflife	1996
Blackalicious	Nia	1999
Canibus	Rip the Jacker	2003

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Oh right, Georgia wrecks NJ too.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Love this album. GZA came through NYC and Philly doing it within the last week. We were going to the Manhattan show because it was with a full band, but had to swap for the Philly one last minute. Outstanding show. Well worth it if it comes around again.



The Low End Theory. It’s perfect.



While we’re on music, look at this steaming pile that’s all over my timeline tonight. My man has the same awful taste as noted Bon Jovi acolyte @Captain Dave Poulin

That is just ****ed. Bruce I love (from 1975-85), Whitney I lusted after badly for a while, but the other two can eat it. Sinatra is not at fault - I just hate all the fedora-wearing, poker-playing dip****s who think they are part of some Nouvelle Rat Pack when they are really just cookie-cutter nothing turds from Nowheresville. Bon Jovi is self-evidently the worst ever.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Has that Tweeter not heard of Michigan, Illinois, New York, or California? Each of those states demolishes NJ.

Michigan was my immediate reaction, but I struggle with how to separate groups from solo artists on something like this.

That is just ****ed. Bruce I love (from 1975-85), Whitney I lusted after badly for a while, but the other two can eat it. Sinatra is not at fault - I just hate all the fedora-wearing, poker-playing dip****s who think they are part of some Nouvelle Rat Pack when they are really just cookie-cutter nothing turds from Nowheresville. Bon Jovi is self-evidently the worst ever.

I’m sorry, sir. Your Bon Jovi is my Springsteen, so imagine how awful I think that list is.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

For Anyone interested:

My Top 20 Hip Hop Records

De La Soul	Stakes Is High	1996
The Last Emperor	Music, Magic, Myth	2003
The Roots	Game Theory	2006
Astronautalis	This Is Our Science	2011
Nas	Illmatic	1994
Eminem	The Marshall Mathers LP	2000
A Tribe Called Quest	The Low End Theory	1991
De La Soul	Buhloon Mindstate	1993
Louis Logic	Misery Loves Comedy	2006
The Roots	Do You Want More?!?	1994
Mos Def	Black On Both Sides	1999
Jedi Mind Tricks	Violent By Design	2000
Common	Like Water for Chocolate	2000
Outkast	Aquemini	1998
Pete Rock and CL Smooth	The Main Ingredient	1994
Lauryn Hill	The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill	1996
Blackalicious	Blazing Arrow	2002
The Roots	Illadelph Halflife	1996
Blackalicious	Nia	1999
Canibus	Rip the Jacker	2003

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I'm not a connoisseur of hip hop or anything, but a couple that have to be on a greatest list:

Digable Planets - Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Has that Tweeter not heard of Michigan, Illinois, New York, or California? Each of those states demolishes NJ.

Minnesota blows them way out of the water too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Michigan was my immediate reaction, but I struggle with how to separate groups from solo artists on something like this.



I’m sorry, sir. Your Bon Jovi is my Springsteen, so imagine how awful I think that list is.

I'm mostly going with single artists with exceptions like Outkast, though some of those Michigan groups are too good to ignore; especially since many of them were studio musicians that were flat-out culturally dominant.

Also for Georgia, you can ignore the rest of the Allman Brothers Band and just look at Duane Allman if you'd like. Though that isn't nice to Dickey Betts who is a monster guitarist in his own right, but he's from Florida which isn't Georgia.

Which reminds me that Florida has probably pumped out more greats too. Tom Petty, the grotesquely underrated Outlaws who are at least better than Bon Jovi, Jim Morrison...Jaco Pastorius, maybe?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Minnesota blows them way out of the water too.

Lousisiana too. There doesn’t appear to be an end in sight.

 

[Sombastate]

I'm not a connoisseur of hip hop or anything, but a couple that have to be on a greatest list:

Digable Planets - Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It

I also forgot Sex Packets by Digital Underground

 

[Beef Invictus]

Minnesota blows them way out of the water too.

Good call. I know several pro musicians and every one of them has cycled through or permanently settled in Minnesota, so that probably indicates something, but I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.


My state of Virginia has Ella Fitzgerald, Victor Wooten, and Ralph Stanley. We won't discuss Gwar. Thus ends the list as far as I know it.


Edit: Actually no, we don't have Victor Wooten. I'm recalling now he's from the Midwest originally or something. Ella Fitzgerald and Ralph Stanley is all I guess.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Which reminds me that Florida has probably pumped out more greats too. Tom Petty, the grotesquely underrated Outlaws who are at least better than Bon Jovi, Jim Morrison...Jaco Pastorius, maybe?

Florida also gave us Limp Bizkit. Now today has come full circle.