GDT: #63: Sharks at FLYERS, Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2020, 7:00 pm ET

[TB87]

5v5 Points/60 this season:

Farabee: 1.73
Grant: 1.34

 

[PhlthyRich]

5v5 Points/60 this season:

Farabee: 1.73
Grant: 1.34

I can't speak on Grant as I haven't watched him, but from what I read on other boards Grant played 4th line only with Ducks and with bad line mates, and often faced top lines; played the toughest minutes. Whereas Farabee has been with Hayes, TK, Couts, Giroux, Jake. Has to be factored when comparing 5v5/60

 

[flyersfan018]

This game just seems more boring now.

Then don’t watch?

 

[Curufinwe]

5v5 Points/60 this season:

Farabee: 1.73
Grant: 1.34

Couturier 2.47
Konecny 2.32
JVR 2.31
Lindblom 2.17
Laughton 2.14
Voracek 2.11

NAK 1.86
Farabee 1.73
Frost 1.67
Pitlick 1.64
Giroux 1.53
Grant 1.34
Hayes 1.31
Thompson 1.11

Vorobyev 0.94
Bunnaman 0.63

 

[Appleyard]

Grant is a fine 5v5 scorer.

 

[TB87]

I can't speak on Grant as I haven't watched him, but from what I read on other boards Grant played 4th line only with Ducks and with bad line mates, and often faced top lines; played the toughest minutes. Whereas Farabee has been with Hayes, TK, Couts, Giroux, Jake. Has to be factored when comparing 5v5/60

I’m unaware of any quantifiable way to account for quality of teammates with 5v5 points/60. If you know, please share. I’d be thrilled to have that information

 

[Curufinwe]

Dmen

Braun 1.24
Hagg 1.2
Myers 1.1
Niskanen 1.02
Sanheim 1

Ghost 0.5
Provorov 0.49

Hard to believe Nisky is doubling Provy's 5on5 rate when they basically play together the whole time.

 

[deadhead]

Dmen

Braun 1.24
Hagg 1.2
Myers 1.1
Niskanen 1.02
Sanheim 1

Ghost 0.5
Provorov 0.49

Hard to believe Nisky is doubling Provy's 5on5 rate when they basically play together the whole time.

Some of it is puck luck, but some may be "veteranitis," kids like to wind up and fire, whereas the veteran defensemen are often content to just get it on net, which helps generate puck luck.

 

[TB87]

Picture two:

 

[bennysflyers16]

Im excited to watch all games now, this is the best team we have had in close to a decade and are on a legit run right now !!

 

[GKJ]

5v5 Points/60 this season:

Farabee: 1.73
Grant: 1.34

not saying it would improve Grant to being a 30-35 point player as his PDO is high but 1.34 seems like it would be very good for a guy with 70% defensive zone starts on a bad team.

 

[PhlthyRich]

I’m unaware of any quantifiable way to account for quality of teammates with 5v5 points/60. If you know, please share. I’d be thrilled to have that information

I'm not aware either, but I was more so just pointing out it's not so black and white. Wasn't disagreeing with you, can't argue stats!

 

[deadhead]

Different strokes for different folks.

Grant brings a different dimension of play to this team, Farabee is more skilled, Grant is bigger and more physical (6'3 215). Grant scores enough that it's not like the offense will spiral into a black hole with him on the ice. And his 4th line checking experience makes him a better matchup against certain lines.

They'll look at Grant and Thompson, AV has a pretty good idea of what he has in Farabee, Frost and Bunnaman.
I don't think any lineup is written in ink.

 

[TB87]

I'm not aware either, but I was more so just pointing out it's not so black and white. Wasn't disagreeing with you, can't argue stats!

No worries! I’m just jonesin’ for a quantifiable way to account for QoT when examining players 5v5 scoring. Corsica used to sort of have it but that sites dead now I believe

 

[1865]

5v5 Points/60 this season:

Farabee: 1.73
Grant: 1.34

I think Farabee is probably a better offensive player overall but Grant is a great PK guy by all accounts (we could do with that) who chips in with goals too, and Farabee will really benefit from consistent top line AHL minutes too.

I'm all for that move in theory.

 

[flyers0909]

I don't like sending Farabee down at all, but as long has he's on the wing in a week or two and the winner of Grant/Thompson is 4C, I think we're a better team than we were yesterday.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[TB87]

not saying it would improve Grant to being a 30-35 point player as his PDO is high but 1.34 seems like it would be very good for a guy with 70% defensive zone starts on a bad team.

His 5v5 Zone Starts Broken Down By Percentage:
On The Fly Start%: 58.31%
Defensive Zone Start%: 22.25%
Neutral Zone Start%: 13.52%
Offensive Zone Start%: 5.92



I am also curious to know if zone starts have some sort of effect on point production. I currently have no idea. Quality of Teammates does (in all-situations really).

 

[bennysflyers16]

I don't hate the lines.

 

[flyers0909]

I'm going to look the other way and just blindly take the lineup as a tryout for 4C and not AVs optimal lineup (no Farabee).

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'll take it over Grant being 2LW but Laughton on the second line will always be meh to me.

 

[Striiker]

Laughton on the 2nd line, Grant on the 3rd, no Ghost...

Yuck.

How long does Robert "Cockroach" Hagg manage to survive? He'll get absolutely dominated again but get a lucky 2nd assist and stay in.

 

[BiggE]

10 fave Flyer quotes is up in the top 10 thread.

Now let’s keep the streak of not sucking alive and well tonight!

 

[Appleyard]

Yeh, with Farabee out unless completely stack top 6 with JvR there one of:

Laughton, Raffl or Grant... will play 2nd line.

Tbh would be interested to see NAK there given play this year.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So it's a given that Grant and Thompson will have Hartman like debuts right?