Post-Game Talk: #59 | Flyers at Oilers | February 21, 2023

[LegionOfDoom91]

Strong effort indeed.

 

[Audible Velvet]

For all the non-watchers…this was definitely worth watching

I remember seeing that and thinking “it’s all worth it now, time well spent “

 

[Beef Invictus]

All things considered, a strong effort.

You told us you were losing faith and if the team had a bad year again you wouldn't be defending management.


What happened?

 

[bennysflyers16]

You told us you were losing faith and if the team had a bad year again you wouldn't be defending management.


What happened?

A strong effort !!

Graph two posts above say otherwise.

 

[Beef Invictus]

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Strong effort indeed.

The only reason it might feel like a strong effort is Hart making the game look effortless. He didn't look challenged but he got shelled.

 

[deadhead]

They hung in there for two periods, then a back to back on the road with TK out had the expected effect on their legs in the 3rd period.

Were you expecting something different?

 

[Beef Invictus]

They hung in there for two periods, then a back to back on the road with TK out had the expected effect on their legs in the 3rd period.

Were you expecting something different?

You told us Tortorella would provide something different, yes.

Nobody here is surprised this team lost. The way you sold things though, you should be. Especially against a team you claim is so very soft, despite them tossing the Flyers around

 

[Curufinwe]

Being 25th in a 32 team league despite getting mostly great goaltending shows what kind of coach Torts is in 2023.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Being 25th in a 32 team league despite getting mostly great goaltending shows what kind of coach Torts is in 2023.

Nah, it shows what kind of a GM Hextall was.

No more, no less.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

For all the non-watchers…this was definitely worth watching

Hayesy don’t do defense!

 

[renberg]

Hayesy don’t do defense!

The guy is an absolute bum. Never liked his play; never wanted him to play here; can’t wait for the time when he’s playing somewhere else.

 

[wasup]

They hung in there for two periods, then a back to back on the road with TK out had the expected effect on their legs in the 3rd period.

Were you expecting something different?

They hung in there great limiting the great McDavid and company to 12 shots on goal 47 mins into the game . Lycksell took a stupid 4 min deserved penalty and the momentum changed . McDavid,s goals were flicking the puck down the ice and an attempted pass that banked of Sandheim and went into the goal . Cates Allison and Laughton were matched up head to head most of the time and Cates and Allison ended up plus 1 on the night .

People on here thinking Edmonton are so great have shit for brains . 5vs 5 play they are crap their only thing they have is a powerplay and they have to rely on getting pp time to try to win a game . Stay out of the box and they are hooped . If Edmonton played in the east they are a bubble playoff team .

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They hung in there great limiting the great McDavid and company to 12 shots on goal 47 mins into the game . Lycksell took a stupid 4 min deserved penalty and the momentum changed . McDavid,s goals were flicking the puck down the ice and an attempted pass that banked of Sandheim and went into the goal . Cates Allison and Laughton were matched up head to head most of the time and Cates and Allison ended up plus 1 on the night .

People on here thinking Edmonton are so great have shit for brains . 5vs 5 play they are crap their only thing they have is a powerplay and they have to rely on getting pp time to try to win a game . Stay out of the box and they are hooped . If Edmonton played in the east they are a bubble playoff team .

Does anybody really think Edmonton is good though? They’re pretty much an average team carried by two star players one of them a generational talent. That’s been their MO for a while now.

 

[deadhead]

Being 25th in a 32 team league despite getting mostly great goaltending shows what kind of coach Torts is in 2023.

Uh, no.
Hart has been above average overall, but with some spotty stretches.
Ersson has been great for 7 starts, but Sandstrom has been well below average for 10 starts.
So overall the goaltending has been slightly above average, but not close to "great."

What we've seen is a team that lacks talent, playing hard, being competitive, but losing because they're just not good enough.

Funny how Berube and Hakstol look so much better when they coach teams with more talent - people overestimated the talent on this team for the past decade (myself included), but in retrospect, if you look at the bottom six forwards and the defense, this team has always been very thin with little quality depth.

What hide the truth was a few top players in their peak years that got to the playoffs when they had good goaltending, and didn't when the goaltenders went south. When those players got old (Giroux, Jake, Simmonds) the downward spiral began.

This took a decade, from Holmgren after the Carter/Richards trades, Hextall failing to get premier talent out of a flawed rebuild. The extensions to Ghost, Jake, the signing of JVR all happened before Fletcher, he's responsible for Ellis, Hayes and Risto (TDA is 2 years, so no real issue). Couts was a no-brainer, hometown discount by their best player. Atkinson is Voracek (same money). Sanheim - people were clamoring to extend him and most considered $6M to be a bargain.

The core problem has always been a lack of vision by the FO - until they embrace the reality of rebuilding, this team will continue to spin its wheels with any GM dumb enough to take the job.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Does anybody really think Edmonton is good though? They’re pretty much an average team carried by two star players one of them a generational talent. That’s been their MO for a while now.

They're a 1.5 line team at their best, and they are far from their best right now. Still handled the Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Imagine arguing that goaltending hasn't floated this team higher in the standings than they should be. It's like arguing electricity won't electrocute you.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[FlyerNutter]

I've successfully managed to pull back from watching for the last few months. Snippets of games, to more - and more nil.

It's not really even the losses, or obvs improper team building FO philosophy - they are just boring AF.

From a taste of Lindros, to Forsberg, Kimmo, Briere, Pronger, Richards, Carter, and Giroux. It's just a product that is hard to put time in. This overwhelming fixation on winning with effort, and vanilla depth doesn't do it. Loyalty does indeed have limits.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Merely above average, apparently. Being dragged down by a post-illness, post-Ristocussion slump to boot.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hart is 9th among goalies with 1200 minutes (20 games played minimum) in HDSV%.

Ersson is 1st when you reduce it to 300 minutes (5 games played minimum).

Imagine handwaving that off. That performance produces a ton of stolen games.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Hart is 9th among goalies with 1200 minutes (20 games played minimum) in HDSV%.

Ersson is 1st when you reduce it to 300 minutes (5 games played minimum).

Imagine handwaving that off. That performance produces a ton of stolen games.

This is peak Anaheim hanging on to prime Gibson when it's clear they are going to be doing shit for a very long time.

Hart's next contract will be something to laugh at.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is peak Anaheim hanging on to prime Gibson when it's clear they are going to be doing shit for a very long time.

Hart's next contract will be something to laugh at.

Correct.

Also correct on how crushingly boring this team has become because of the moronic hockey philosophies espoused by the corrupt and rotting Clarke Management Tree.

Their most interesting players are almost entirely guys who are middle of the lineup players anywhere else. Pathetic. They loathe skill, and skill is what makes for fun.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Flyers should really give Sandstrom some more starts to showcase him for the trade deadline.

 

[BernieParent]

The core problem has always been a lack of vision by the FO - until they embrace the reality of rebuilding, this team will continue to spin its wheels with any GM dumb enough to take the job.

Agreed.

 

[BernieParent]

I've successfully managed to pull back from watching for the last few months. Snippets of games, to more - and more nil.

It's not really even the losses, or obvs improper team building FO philosophy - they are just boring AF.

From a taste of Lindros, to Forsberg, Kimmo, Briere, Pronger, Richards, Carter, and Giroux. It's just a product that is hard to put time in. This overwhelming fixation on winning with effort, and vanilla depth doesn't do it. Loyalty does indeed have limits.

There was a lot of cap-tipping from the Oilers PBP guys throughout the game that the Flyers were doing exactly what they had to do -- grinding the game to a standstill -- to have a chance at winning because they were so far behind in the skill department.