Post-Game Talk: #58| PHI 3 at EDM 6| Feb 16, 2017 | Jordan Weal (UBI) update to be issued Feb. 21

[tictactoe]

Well. The Redskins operate in a fashion consistent with what you want with the Flyers, or they did until they hired a real GM. They quit on guys the moment they struggled, cut guys loose or traded them when their value was low, and repeatedly watched them rebound or blossom elsewhere. They were a laughingstock organization.

It wasn't a good idea in the NFL. It isn't a good idea in any sport.

It's not just a "moment" of struggle. It's 2 years of straggling and that 5 on 5 ain't getting better. I am not sure why some Flyers fans do not see it, I guess those orange glasses are really thick or maybe they need to get out more.. Giroux still got it and he may have a good season or two but imo it is worth dangling him while his value is high and see what you can get in trade especially when our team has so many issue. We will not seriously compete for SP with in next 2-3 years.
For the record I like Calude as a player and watched his development since his draft years and knew that we had a heck of a player after he was scoring 2pts per game in playoffs in jr.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Stop being a homer and listen to me because I knew he was good after he already broke out.

Perfect. This is going to be a miserable summer, isn't it?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Stop being a homer and listen to me because I knew he was good after he already broke out.

Perfect. This is going to be a miserable summer, isn't it?

You have no idea.

 

[Curufinwe]

The expansion draft is going to be awesome, though.

 

[hckyplayer8]

If you look at Giroux highlights you see he was never a burner like a Konecny type, he's always been about brains, vision, and passing. That hasn't changed.

Good to see you come around to what others have been saying for seasons.

Giroux is a complementary playmaker/PP specialist.

 

[Striiker]

Good to see you come around to what others have been saying for seasons.

Giroux is a complementary playmaker/PP specialist.

I don't have the patience to explain hockey to you, please don't touch the keyboard and go sit in the corner.

 

[CowboyDan]

Any updates on the Weal injury?

 

[Curufinwe]

Weal know more later.

 

[Tripod]

Just so everyone knows, Manning is getting lots of love from Canadian media.

Everyone talking how he stood up to a guy he knew he would likely lose a fight to. Saying that he knew he was public enemy #1 and all game they were trying to get him to fight. Then when they got the 4th goal, it was Manning to said to Maroon, "let's go".

Maroon himself gave him lots of props.

If I am Hextall, I am calling up Calgary or Vancouver to see if they want him.

 

[renberg]

I don't care about the media and Maroon giving Manning props after the fact. What Edmonton pulled last night was BS. Going back to the original injury, McDavid got hurt on an ordinary hockey play. There was no intent to injure on Manning's part and he never said that he did it on purpose.
McDavid is a chump. If he has a problem with Manning, that should have been between the two of them. Just like the stuff between Laughton and Niskanen was after a debatable hit. McChump needs to learn to handle his own stuff. This lining up your roster to go after a guy is crap.
Frankly, I was disappointed that the Flyers didn't go for a line brawl. The Flyers should have let the Oilers know that if McChump wants to fight Manning, so be it. The rest of their team was to stay out of it. IMO, the Flyers left Manning hang out to dry. They all said that they had Manning's back and let him get his ass kicked. If that is they way that teammates have a guys back, I wouldn't want to be a part of them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not just a "moment" of struggle. It's 2 years of straggling and that 5 on 5 ain't getting better. I am not sure why some Flyers fans do not see it, I guess those orange glasses are really thick or maybe they need to get out more.. Giroux still got it and he may have a good season or two but imo it is worth dangling him while his value is high and see what you can get in trade especially when our team has so many issue. We will not seriously compete for SP with in next 2-3 years.
For the record I like Calude as a player and watched his development since his draft years and knew that we had a heck of a player after he was scoring 2pts per game in playoffs in jr.

Right now you're calling for him to be traded when his value is at a minimum.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Just so everyone knows, Manning is getting lots of love from Canadian media.

Everyone talking how he stood up to a guy he knew he would likely lose a fight to. Saying that he knew he was public enemy #1 and all game they were trying to get him to fight. Then when they got the 4th goal, it was Manning to said to Maroon, "let's go".

Maroon himself gave him lots of props.

If I am Hextall, I am calling up Calgary or Vancouver to see if they want him.

Oh God


I mentioned it last night, but him going with Maroon had the Oilers broadcast spend a huge chunk of the 2nd intermission showing lots of respect for Manning.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Weal know more later.

Your puns are very Wealcome.

 

[Ruck Over]

I don't care about the media and Maroon giving Manning props after the fact. What Edmonton pulled last night was BS. Going back to the original injury, McDavid got hurt on an ordinary hockey play. There was no intent to injure on Manning's part and he never said that he did it on purpose.
McDavid is a chump. If he has a problem with Manning, that should have been between the two of them. Just like the stuff between Laughton and Niskanen was after a debatable hit. McChump needs to learn to handle his own stuff. This lining up your roster to go after a guy is crap.
Frankly, I was disappointed that the Flyers didn't go for a line brawl. The Flyers should have let the Oilers know that if McChump wants to fight Manning, so be it. The rest of their team was to stay out of it. IMO, the Flyers left Manning hang out to dry. They all said that they had Manning's back and let him get his ass kicked. If that is they way that teammates have a guys back, I wouldn't want to be a part of them.

100%

I don't miss the Rosehill, Shelly, or Rinaldo type players, but last night, it would've been great to have a Lindros, Tocchet, Melanby, or basically a lot more of Wayne Simmonds in the line-up. Get mean, handle business. Fight fire with fire, not a soggy paper bag.
After the nut-shot Lucic did on Manning, the dander comes up and it is open season on every non-McDavid player. And if the temperature needs to come down, McDavid handles his perceived business with Manning, or we wait till the SC Finals , or next year.

That was weak sauce last night. It was weak sauce how the Flames were going after Cousins the night prior. However, Cousins probably is close to being a rat-type player (totally projecting from opponent's response to the player, don't mean it about Cousins the man). It was the Flyers fault for not being able to score a PP goal though if no physical response was forth coming.

 

[Curufinwe]

Just so everyone knows, Manning is getting lots of love from Canadian media.

Everyone talking how he stood up to a guy he knew he would likely lose a fight to. Saying that he knew he was public enemy #1 and all game they were trying to get him to fight. Then when they got the 4th goal, it was Manning to said to Maroon, "let's go".

Maroon himself gave him lots of props.

If I am Hextall, I am calling up Calgary or Vancouver to see if they want him.

The whole thing is BS because the McDavid injury was a total accident, but Manning did the right thing yesterday and handled it well.

Hopefully it gives him extra trade value!

 

[Appleyard]

100%

I don't miss the Rosehill, Shelly, or Rinaldo type players, but last night, it would've been great to have a Lindros, Tocchet, Melanby, or basically a lot more of Wayne Simmonds in the line-up. Get mean, handle business. Fight fire with fire, not a soggy paper bag.
After the nut-shot Lucic did on Manning, the dander comes up and it is open season on every non-McDavid player. And if the temperature needs to come down, McDavid handles his perceived business with Manning, or we wait till the SC Finals , or next year.

That was weak sauce last night. It was weak sauce how the Flames were going after Cousins the night prior. However, Cousins probably is close to being a rat-type player (totally projecting from opponent's response to the player, don't mean it about Cousins the man). It was the Flyers fault for not being able to score a PP goal though if no physical response was forth coming.

Reincarnate Donald Brashear would be my favourite option... (not in response to Edmonton/McDavid etc... just in general! haha.)

while he was a thug he was a thug who combined being a thug with being a pretty freaking good 4th liner. Better at hockey than anyone on our 4th line right now tbh. He could actually be the 9th fwd on a team and not be a liability on ice either.

From 1996-2004 the guy was a ~20-25 point 9th forward/4th liner in the DPE!

I don't like having fighters for the sake of fighters... but guys like Brashear, Simon & Domi were fine by my book. They could actually play solid hockey in a bottom six too.

 

[NYCFlyer]

I don't care about the media and Maroon giving Manning props after the fact. What Edmonton pulled last night was BS. Going back to the original injury, McDavid got hurt on an ordinary hockey play. There was no intent to injure on Manning's part and he never said that he did it on purpose.
McDavid is a chump. If he has a problem with Manning, that should have been between the two of them. Just like the stuff between Laughton and Niskanen was after a debatable hit. McChump needs to learn to handle his own stuff. This lining up your roster to go after a guy is crap.
Frankly, I was disappointed that the Flyers didn't go for a line brawl. The Flyers should have let the Oilers know that if McChump wants to fight Manning, so be it. The rest of their team was to stay out of it. IMO, the Flyers left Manning hang out to dry. They all said that they had Manning's back and let him get his ass kicked. If that is they way that teammates have a guys back, I wouldn't want to be a part of them.

Also totally agree. I am sure Hextall saw that and that he will fix that. Boy if Mr. Snider saw that he would have blown a gasket. I haven't been this dissapointed in a Flyers team since we were the worst team in the league 8 or so years ago.

 

[Rebels57]

Reincarnate Donald Brashear would be my favourite option... (not in response to Edmonton/McDavid etc... just in general! haha.)

while he was a thug he was a thug who combined being a thug with being a pretty freaking good 4th liner. Better at hockey than anyone on our 4th line right now tbh. He could actually be the 9th fwd on a team and not be a liability on ice either.

From 1996-2004 the guy was a ~20-25 point 9th forward/4th liner in the DPE!

I don't like having fighters for the sake of fighters... but guys like Brashear, Simon & Domi were fine by my book. They could actually play solid hockey in a bottom six too.

Brashear was excellent as far as enforcers go. He could face-punch with the best of them and as you said, was quite solid on the 4th line!

Interesting that we ended up getting him by trading Jan Hlavac, who we acquired in the Lindros to NYR trade, to Vancouver.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Yep, it's no accident that Giroux had his best year with Hartnell on his wing. Voracek is a better overall player, but definitely not a better goalscorer.

If you look at Giroux highlights you see he was never a burner like a Konecny type, he's always been about brains, vision, and passing. That hasn't changed. Also, while not a speed demon, skating definitely isn't an issue... even now he's not slow. Just last night he had a shift where he came flying through the neutral zone with tons of speed, ended up in the offensive zone, realized nobody was around to take a pass or do anything meaningful, so he had to just fling it on net from the outside.

He's in a slump, like most of the team, but that's all it is. People trying to make it about his overall ability or about effort are simply incorrect.

I have been on Giroux for a year now but I don't think his skills are all that diminished. I think what missing is the tenacity and attack mentality. There is no question he is less effective but I think it is more about injuries, system, coaching and linemates. There is no way you should or really can trade him or Couts for that matter. We need more quality centers not fewer. We are deeper organizationally everywhere else and should trade for a high quality center.

 

[hckyplayer8]

Frankly, I was disappointed that the Flyers didn't go for a line brawl. The Flyers should have let the Oilers know that if McChump wants to fight Manning, so be it. The rest of their team was to stay out of it. IMO, the Flyers left Manning hang out to dry. They all said that they had Manning's back and let him get his ass kicked. If that is they way that teammates have a guys back, I wouldn't want to be a part of them.

This. Team sucks.

 

[Appleyard]

Brashear was excellent as far as enforcers go. He could face-punch with the best of them and as you said, was quite solid on the 4th line!

Interesting that we ended up getting him by trading Jan Hlavac, who we acquired in the Lindros to NYR trade, to Vancouver.

It is kind of strange that pretty much all those kind of guys (great fighters, solid bottom sixers at actual hockey) have dissapeared in last few years...

Though suppose partially as decent skilled juniors are not 'required' to fight any more if they are big, strong guys like they used to... so they don't become as good a fighters as their 10yr older equivalents.

For example a guy like Troy Brouwer was one of last to rack up PIMs in junior while being a good player because he was big... if he was in NHL ~15 years ago he would be getting 200 PIMs a year while being a solid 3rd liner to boot.

Matt Martin is probably closest to that profile these days... he is a solid 4th liner while being heavyweight.

 

[Striiker]

I have been on Giroux for a year now but I don't think his skills are all that diminished. I think what missing is the tenacity and attack mentality. There is no question he is less effective but I think it is more about injuries, system, coaching and linemates. There is no way you should or really can trade him or Couts for that matter. We need more quality centers not fewer. We are deeper organizationally everywhere else and should trade for a high quality center.

I think it's partially confidence, partially that he feels he needs to be more safe (which is why he dumps it in so often), and partially that he and the rest of the team is frustrated.

They'll never call out teammates or blame them for anything, but they aren't idiots... they can see when they have trash on their team and on the ice with them. If he could trust the defensemen he'd probably play a bit more "free", but instead him dumping the puck deep is the safer move and makes the chances of an odd man rush going the other way less likely.

 

[Appleyard]

Simmonds has probably been 'closest' to calling anything out this year... but it was not his teammates...

The annoyance with 'taking so many shots from the outside' and insistence they would score more if they got to slot and dirty areas a few weeks back was pretty funny...

Especially after Giroux and Streit had been interviewed before him and said same old 'were getting chances, stick with program, keep playing and good things will happen'.

 

[tictactoe]

Right now you're calling for him to be traded when his value is at a minimum.

Yes and no, believe it or not.. His value will be at his minimum if gets injured or if he produces at the same rate next year. If he does that, he automatically becomes contract concern and if Bob McKenzie or D.Dreger call it out, it's all over. Claude managed to stay relatively healthy for a player his size, he has a lot of pluses. Face offs, clutch scoring, playoffs production, PP. His return must be huge. No one is talking about giving him away. Whoever imply's that is an idiot looking for attention.

Beef.. you took over after Opus right? So you were on this site for a while right? You know how it works. lol..

 

[deadhead]

Hextall has managed to draft a bunch of skilled big guys.
Morin and Myers. And Provorov isn't shy, while Gudas is a head hunter.
Lindblom, Dove-McFalls, Allison, Vorobyov.
And one reason he signed Weise, who is up there in hits per 60 minutes.

One reason to like Konecny and Cousins, they show no fear despite a lack of size.