GDT: #53 Canucks at Flyers, Monday Feb 04 7:00PM ET

[CapnZin]

Nolan Patrick:

Last 7 games—> OZS% above 52%

5G - 2A - 7TP.


Previous 38 games—> OZS% ~39-42%

5G - 6A - 11TP.

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Oskar Lindblom:

Last 11 games—> OZS% 49-51% + | ~14.8 min ATOI

3G - 4A - 7TP


Previous 40 games—> OZS ~42-44% | ~11.14 min ATOI

4G - 6A - 10TP

**My phone is cracked and it’s hard to read numbers on here sometimes. Averaging out the time may be off by a little.

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Travis Sanheim:

Previous 15 games—> OZS% 50%+ | ~21Min ATOI

2G - 4A - 6TP

Previous 37 games—> OZS% ~46-48% | ~17Min ATOI

3G - 9A - 12TP

________________
I just wanted to point this out. These 3 players were the biggest victims of Hakstol’s horrible vet heavy usage.

In his last 7 games, Nolan Patrick is closing in on his total point production in his previous 38 games! Why is that? It’s not because he’s suddenly on a hot steak playing. It’s because Gordon is giving him offensive opportunities. He’s not playing Dale Weise with him or Michael Raffl. While Raffl is good, he was paired with people who can’t finish the puck in the net. Simmonds gives him that. Although Patrick should be playing with better line mates, the chemistry of that line is undeniable. Amazing to see him breakout after Hakstol is gone.

The same goes with Oskar Lindblom. In his previous 11 games, he hasn’t been used as a full fledged D forward. He’s now seeing an extra shift in the Ozone per 10 shifts compared to Hakstol and it’s paying off. That’s not to mention his line mates and TOI. It’s amazing how Hakstol f***ed up his development throwing him with Lehtera, Weise, and company. Plus his highest usage was ~16min and lowest was 5:18!!!! That game with 5:18 had ~2min of PK.


In Sanheim’s last 15 games he’s facing significantly harder competition, more overtime, and more offensive face offs. He has produced 1/2 of what he did in the previous 37 games. He’s producing better under this usage in (15: .4PPG | 37: .32PPG) facing much harder competition and of course, more TOI.




Hakstol hurt our young players. He didn’t help them. Broke Provorov into the league with Andrew f***ing McDonald. Gave Hagg 1st like TOI over Sanheim (gave him ~15TOI). Let’s talk about NAK getting ~5:15ATOI... or .... Tyrell Goulbourne had a better OZS%/60(-NZS%) THAN NOLAN PATRICK!!!!!!!!!! All that means is Tyrell Goulbourne, given equal TOI, would’ve had a better OZS% (more offensive zone starts) than Nolan Patrick.


Usage is arguably the most important part of developing young players. Hakstol kept them with small TOI and hidden in the Dzone. Then he would complain when they don’t produce... cough cough Lindblom. They can’t f***ing produce playing like that.

It’s just crazy to look back at how bad Hakstol was with young players.

 

[Foggy14]

 

[DancingPanther]

Nolan Patrick:

Last 7 games—> OZS% above 52%

5G - 2A - 7TP.


Previous 38 games—> OZS% ~39-42%

5G - 6A - 11TP.

—————————————
Oskar Lindblom:

Last 11 games—> OZS% 49-51% + | ~14.8 min ATOI

3G - 4A - 7TP


Previous 40 games—> OZS ~42-44% | ~11.14 min ATOI

4G - 6A - 10TP

**My phone is cracked and it’s hard to read numbers on here sometimes. Averaging out the time may be off by a little.

—————————————

Travis Sanheim:

Previous 15 games—> OZS% 50%+ | ~21Min ATOI

2G - 4A - 6TP

Previous 37 games—> OZS% ~46-48% | ~17Min ATOI

3G - 9A - 12TP

________________
I just wanted to point this out. These 3 players were the biggest victims of Hakstol’s horrible vet heavy usage.

In his last 7 games, Nolan Patrick is closing in on his total point production in his previous 38 games! Why is that? It’s not because he’s suddenly on a hot steak playing. It’s because Gordon is giving him offensive opportunities. He’s not playing Dale Weise with him or Michael Raffl. While Raffl is good, he was paired with people who can’t finish the puck in the net. Simmonds gives him that. Although Patrick should be playing with better line mates, the chemistry of that line is undeniable. Amazing to see him breakout after Hakstol is gone.

The same goes with Oskar Lindblom. In his previous 11 games, he hasn’t been used as a full fledged D forward. He’s now seeing an extra shift in the Ozone per 10 shifts compared to Hakstol and it’s paying off. That’s not to mention his line mates and TOI. It’s amazing how Hakstol ****ed up his development throwing him with Lehtera, Weise, and company. Plus his highest usage was ~16min and lowest was 5:18!!!! That game with 5:18 had ~2min of PK.


In Sanheim’s last 15 games he’s facing significantly harder competition, more overtime, and more offensive face offs. He has produced 1/2 of what he did in the previous 37 games. He’s producing better under this usage in (15: .4PPG | 37: .32PPG) facing much harder competition and of course, more TOI.




Hakstol hurt our young players. He didn’t help them. Broke Provorov into the league with Andrew ****ing McDonald. Gave Hagg 1st like TOI over Sanheim (gave him ~15TOI). Let’s talk about NAK getting ~5:15ATOI... or .... Tyrell Goulbourne had a better OZS%/60(-NZS%) THAN NOLAN PATRICK!!!!!!!!!! All that means is Tyrell Goulbourne, given equal TOI, would’ve had a better OZS% (more offensive zone starts) than Nolan Patrick.


Usage is arguably the most important part of developing young players. Hakstol kept them with small TOI and hidden in the Dzone. Then he would complain when they don’t produce... cough cough Lindblom. They can’t ****ing produce playing like that.

It’s just crazy to look back at how bad Hakstol was with young players.

No, the difference is Hart. That's the only difference.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Nolan Patrick:

Last 7 games—> OZS% above 52%

5G - 2A - 7TP.


Previous 38 games—> OZS% ~39-42%

5G - 6A - 11TP.

—————————————
Oskar Lindblom:

Last 11 games—> OZS% 49-51% + | ~14.8 min ATOI

3G - 4A - 7TP


Previous 40 games—> OZS ~42-44% | ~11.14 min ATOI

4G - 6A - 10TP

**My phone is cracked and it’s hard to read numbers on here sometimes. Averaging out the time may be off by a little.

—————————————

Travis Sanheim:

Previous 15 games—> OZS% 50%+ | ~21Min ATOI

2G - 4A - 6TP

Previous 37 games—> OZS% ~46-48% | ~17Min ATOI

3G - 9A - 12TP

________________
I just wanted to point this out. These 3 players were the biggest victims of Hakstol’s horrible vet heavy usage.

In his last 7 games, Nolan Patrick is closing in on his total point production in his previous 38 games! Why is that? It’s not because he’s suddenly on a hot steak playing. It’s because Gordon is giving him offensive opportunities. He’s not playing Dale Weise with him or Michael Raffl. While Raffl is good, he was paired with people who can’t finish the puck in the net. Simmonds gives him that. Although Patrick should be playing with better line mates, the chemistry of that line is undeniable. Amazing to see him breakout after Hakstol is gone.

The same goes with Oskar Lindblom. In his previous 11 games, he hasn’t been used as a full fledged D forward. He’s now seeing an extra shift in the Ozone per 10 shifts compared to Hakstol and it’s paying off. That’s not to mention his line mates and TOI. It’s amazing how Hakstol ****ed up his development throwing him with Lehtera, Weise, and company. Plus his highest usage was ~16min and lowest was 5:18!!!! That game with 5:18 had ~2min of PK.


In Sanheim’s last 15 games he’s facing significantly harder competition, more overtime, and more offensive face offs. He has produced 1/2 of what he did in the previous 37 games. He’s producing better under this usage in (15: .4PPG | 37: .32PPG) facing much harder competition and of course, more TOI.




Hakstol hurt our young players. He didn’t help them. Broke Provorov into the league with Andrew ****ing McDonald. Gave Hagg 1st like TOI over Sanheim (gave him ~15TOI). Let’s talk about NAK getting ~5:15ATOI... or .... Tyrell Goulbourne had a better OZS%/60(-NZS%) THAN NOLAN PATRICK!!!!!!!!!! All that means is Tyrell Goulbourne, given equal TOI, would’ve had a better OZS% (more offensive zone starts) than Nolan Patrick.


Usage is arguably the most important part of developing young players. Hakstol kept them with small TOI and hidden in the Dzone. Then he would complain when they don’t produce... cough cough Lindblom. They can’t ****ing produce playing like that.

It’s just crazy to look back at how bad Hakstol was with young players.

Well said.
It is amazing that Hakstol lasted as long as he did. It was surely Hextall's belief that his fate was very much tied with Hakstol's as he was the one who gambled on a college coach making it stick at the NHL level. Quite a stupid notion, made more stupid by Hextall not realizing he could have won more time for himself and his plan for indeterminable patience had he fired Hakstol earlier. Wholly unreasonable loyalty.

 

[Rebels57]

Nolan Patrick:

Last 7 games—> OZS% above 52%

5G - 2A - 7TP.


Previous 38 games—> OZS% ~39-42%

5G - 6A - 11TP.

—————————————
Oskar Lindblom:

Last 11 games—> OZS% 49-51% + | ~14.8 min ATOI

3G - 4A - 7TP


Previous 40 games—> OZS ~42-44% | ~11.14 min ATOI

4G - 6A - 10TP

**My phone is cracked and it’s hard to read numbers on here sometimes. Averaging out the time may be off by a little.

—————————————

Travis Sanheim:

Previous 15 games—> OZS% 50%+ | ~21Min ATOI

2G - 4A - 6TP

Previous 37 games—> OZS% ~46-48% | ~17Min ATOI

3G - 9A - 12TP

________________
I just wanted to point this out. These 3 players were the biggest victims of Hakstol’s horrible vet heavy usage.

In his last 7 games, Nolan Patrick is closing in on his total point production in his previous 38 games! Why is that? It’s not because he’s suddenly on a hot steak playing. It’s because Gordon is giving him offensive opportunities. He’s not playing Dale Weise with him or Michael Raffl. While Raffl is good, he was paired with people who can’t finish the puck in the net. Simmonds gives him that. Although Patrick should be playing with better line mates, the chemistry of that line is undeniable. Amazing to see him breakout after Hakstol is gone.

The same goes with Oskar Lindblom. In his previous 11 games, he hasn’t been used as a full fledged D forward. He’s now seeing an extra shift in the Ozone per 10 shifts compared to Hakstol and it’s paying off. That’s not to mention his line mates and TOI. It’s amazing how Hakstol ****ed up his development throwing him with Lehtera, Weise, and company. Plus his highest usage was ~16min and lowest was 5:18!!!! That game with 5:18 had ~2min of PK.


In Sanheim’s last 15 games he’s facing significantly harder competition, more overtime, and more offensive face offs. He has produced 1/2 of what he did in the previous 37 games. He’s producing better under this usage in (15: .4PPG | 37: .32PPG) facing much harder competition and of course, more TOI.




Hakstol hurt our young players. He didn’t help them. Broke Provorov into the league with Andrew ****ing McDonald. Gave Hagg 1st like TOI over Sanheim (gave him ~15TOI). Let’s talk about NAK getting ~5:15ATOI... or .... Tyrell Goulbourne had a better OZS%/60(-NZS%) THAN NOLAN PATRICK!!!!!!!!!! All that means is Tyrell Goulbourne, given equal TOI, would’ve had a better OZS% (more offensive zone starts) than Nolan Patrick.


Usage is arguably the most important part of developing young players. Hakstol kept them with small TOI and hidden in the Dzone. Then he would complain when they don’t produce... cough cough Lindblom. They can’t ****ing produce playing like that.

It’s just crazy to look back at how bad Hakstol was with young players.

Again I say, Hak is the worst coach in team history. No one did less with more over that much time.

 

[ellja3]

Again I say, Hak is the worst coach in team history. No one did less with more over that much time.

This. It's not about the extent to which he sucked, but the time he was allowed to do it.

 

[Sombastate]

No, the difference is Hart. That's the only difference.

And goaltending doesn't actually matter when it comes to making a team better. We learned this yesterday. If goaltending gets figured out, it doesn't matter.

 

[deadhead]

No, the difference is Hart. That's the only difference.

Gordon -
Hart/Stolarz 10-5-1 .930
Other goalies 1-3-1 .877
Hakstol goalies 12-15-4 .880

Gordon: SCA 19.8 per game, HDCA 7.5
Hakstol: SCA 19.1 per game, HDCA 7.8

Gordon scoring: 58 goals, 2.76 per game
Hakstol scoring: 91 goals, 2.94 per game

It's the same team more or less, just went from the worst goalies in the league to the best goalies in the league.
Yeah, goalies matter THAT much.

 

[deadhead]

The reason this matters is Fletcher, if he's fooled by Hart into thinking he can stand pat, the problems with this team won't be addressed.
Right now Gordon is pulling a "Berube," riding a hot goalie.
But if you want to win a Cup, the goalie is only part of the equation, you need to build a better team as well.

A new coach will help, but coaches aren't miracle workers, Q was brilliant until Crawford was hurt, then he wasn't, Lavi was brilliant until Pronger got hurt and the team aged, and so on. Trotz lost five straight times in Nashville in the 1st rd, then in Washington couldn't get the best team in the NHL past the second round for three years.

You need talent, but just as important, the right mix and fit of talent.
Sullivan didn't win just because he was a good coach, but because his GM completely rebuilt that team in little more than a year.

 

[GKJ]

NJ still hasnt activated Hall and they just sent down Blackwood after a 37 save W so they could activate Schneider.

The tank is on for real in NJ. Can't blame them though with their putrid forward depth. Hughes or Kakko would be massive additions. However, if they lose Hall to UFA in 2020, it cancels out.

They'll trade him if they can't sign him by training camp.

 

[TheKingPin]

I liked Hextall. But when you consider he didn’t think Hakstol should have been fired so long ago it makes him look like an absolute Buffoon

 

[usahockey22flyers]

7 pts out of a playoff spot right? Lets go boys lets go

 

[deadhead]

Uh, 7 behind CBJ, 4 behind Buffalo and Carolina for the last spot.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The reason this matters is Fletcher, if he's fooled by Hart into thinking he can stand pat, the problems with this team won't be addressed.
Right now Gordon is pulling a "Berube," riding a hot goalie.
But if you want to win a Cup, the goalie is only part of the equation, you need to build a better team as well.

A new coach will help, but coaches aren't miracle workers, Q was brilliant until Crawford was hurt, then he wasn't, Lavi was brilliant until Pronger got hurt and the team aged, and so on. Trotz lost five straight times in Nashville in the 1st rd, then in Washington couldn't get the best team in the NHL past the second round for three years.

You need talent, but just as important, the right mix and fit of talent.
Sullivan didn't win just because he was a good coach, but because his GM completely rebuilt that team in little more than a year.

Oh? A new coach will help? Why do you support that notion now when you were adamantly opposed to it for so long? The inconsistencies are amazing.

 

[RANKKA]

4 pts out of a playoff spot right? Lets go boys lets go

its 7 right now

 

[usahockey22flyers]

its 7 right now

Too much wine, sheeeeet

 

[Striiker]

Oh? A new coach will help? Why do you support that notion now when you were adamantly opposed to it for so long? The inconsistencies are amazing.

Gordon has 250+ games left before we can accurately judge him.

 

[tictactoe]

This team can win next 3 games but for now lets concentrate on Vancouver.
I hope we play better on D... Edmonton really exposed our lack of speed.

Columbus is going down in flames.... that 8th spot is up for grabs.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Nolan Patrick played a ton with the team’s 2nd best scorer on his wing in the first half.

He stunk, & it wasn’t a mere matter of the coach not giving him a chance.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

There is a low bar to consider this season a success at this point:

-Trade simmonds before the deadline
-Keep playing the kids, hope they play well
-Call up Myers, NAK when he gets healthy, and Morin when healthy. Give them all playing time
-Offload some other players if you can. Amac, Raffl are prime targets.

If the above happens, they hire a new coach in the offseason, and let more kids earn jobs in training camp, next season will be most optimistic one I've had in yeeeears. Making the playoffs would be playing with house money.

Raffl is the type of player and it seems teammate that I would like to have on a 4th line with the young guys. Yes he is unspectacular offensively, but he plays hard both ways, is smart, sticks up for teammates, covers others mistakes well, etc. Seems like a good anchor to help insulate younger more talented players for 1 or 2 more years until they get more established and are able to take over that role.

 

[Jtown]

Nolan Patrick played a ton with the team’s 2nd best scorer on his wing in the first half.

He stunk, & it wasn’t a mere matter of the coach not giving him a chance.

in fairness everyone sans giroux sucked at the beginning of the year.

Patrick is not there physically yet. A real offseason of physical maturity will do him wonders. He has the talent.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Oskar Lindblom is currently 170th in the league in 5 on 5 points/60 minutes (minimum 200 mins played).

Just thought I'd point that out since it was an oft-cited statistic in November.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

in fairness everyone sans giroux sucked at the beginning of the year.

Patrick is not there physically yet. A real offseason of physical maturity will do him wonders. He has the talent.

Unfortunately, they banked on Patrick to be their 2nd line center, and for the first half of the season they had a 2nd line center who was on a 20-something point pace.

I'm not sure that the issue is physical maturity with Patrick. He seems fine when he decides to play instead of coast. I think it's a matter of effort.

 

[freakydallas13]

Remember when Honk went on a 10 game winning streak, and we all said it was just covering up a bunch of the flyers problems? Then a certain poster would reply to our concerns with "Just win baby"?

Because I remember.

 

[Magua]

I'm not sure that the issue is physical maturity with Patrick. He seems fine when he decides to play instead of coast. I think it's a matter of effort.

Effort? The issue is he still has work to do on his skating and learning how to play with pace, along with developing core strength so he doesn't get knocked down despite his size (which he does quite a bit). He's big, but he has a ways to go to developing his power game along the wall and knowing how to attack space with his legs/hands (which has probably been the biggest improvement of late). Questioning effort is lame though.