Post-Game Talk: #51 | Flyers at Panthers | February 6, 2024 | Flyers win 2-1

[deadhead]

We don't know if Lycksell is better than Hathaway or Laughton, but he's far less experienced.
He's also a bad fit, not really a forechecker, not skilled enough to have top 6 upside.

That's why I put him in the Allison, Laczynski, and probably Ginning and Attard camp - guys who need to shine when they get a shot b/c they're fungible unless they step up and show something. Because once they approach FA status, you got to decide if you'll pay them real money.

Brink is different, he probably needs this summer to get stronger and keep working on his skating, but he has top six offensive skills, just needs to round out his game and get used to smaller windows.

Tuomaala, the jury is still out, having a great AHL season at 20 years old, but needs a lot of polish to his game - but he can skate and shoot at a NHL level, and that's a good start.

 

[dragonoffrost]

So you never find out if he can fit if he never hits the ice in those style games... so you aren't even giving him a chance. Hence just send him back to Sweden...

Again you can't just develop in the AHL there are guys who learn in the NHL because as you said you need to know before his cheap deal runs out and hits FA.

Don't you see you are digging a hole in your own argument?

 

[deadhead]

So you never find out if he can fit if he never hits the ice in those style games... so you aren't even giving him a chance. Hence just send him back to Sweden...

Again you can't just develop in the AHL there are guys who learn in the NHL because as you said you need to know before his cheap deal runs out and hits FA.

Don't you see you are digging a hole in your own argument?

He's going to play some more, so far, Lycksell looks a lot better than last season.

But remember when people were freakin' out b/c they waived Laczynski and Allison until no one claimed them on waivers? Meanwhile MacEwen, Brown, Lemieux and Willman have all played in the NHL this season.

End of the roster guys are fungible until they show otherwise.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Yeah because this team has to have guys like those you named on this team a few years ago and replaced them with Hathaway and Nicky D. Garbage out Garbage in. Maybe you play a Lycksell and give him time on the 4th line to prove he can play in ALL situations rather than corner/shelter him. Sink or swim kid. Not this half ass development we've seen for decades.

 

[Cody Webster]

Lol at actually thinking they have a chance to make the playoffs

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Lycksell was scratch for a couple reasons, road game against a physical team, and they want to go with 7 D-men as much as they can to both showcase Walker and Seeler and to give Zamula PT b/c he's going to start after the TDL.

Cates was solid offensively as a LW with Frost and Tippett in his cameo in 2021-22. He's a complementary player on a scoring line, doing the dirty work like Lindblom before cancer. As a center he's a defense first guy who only makes sense on a checking line (and praising Frost for that kind of play is saying he's a good middle six center).

This team has (3) 1sts and (4) 2nds the next two drafts, plus they'll probably add at least a 2nd and 3rd at the TDL. They need to add a top six center and a top 4 D-man to go with Michkov and Bonk. Whether drafting one or using some of those assets to trade for one. Guys like Foerster, Cates and Brink will look much better with better center depth.

There is nothing to showcase with Walker or Seeler. Every GM knows what the bring and not bring to the table. Lame reasoning.

Scratching Lycksell for that reason is a joke. Isn't that a good spot to see what he can do and maybe erase or support your stance if that was the reason?

 

[deadhead]

Of course they have a chance, NJ is injury ridden and underachieving, the Pens are hoping their supply of Geritol doesn't run out, the Isles and Caps may have hit their expiration date, the 8th spot is there for the taking and even Detroit isn't out of reach.

Now Torts/Briere are smart enough to know sneaking into the playoffs isn't worth sacrificing obtaining future assets at the TDL. But it would still be fun, even more fun if Ersson got hot and the Flyers sent the Bruins home early.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Flyers should hang "just sneak into the playoffs" in their new locker room. It's the organization's modus operandi.

That's the goal here and that's the goal we've all said that they have. Same as it ever was.

Playing scrubs in hopes to sneak into the playoffs is exactly why this organization will never win anything.

P.S. They're not rebuilding.

 

[Cody Webster]

It would still be fun...it's always fun sneaking into the playoffs just to get dummied in the first round. Love it!

 

[deadhead]

If developing Lycksell is the key to a successful rebuild, the Flyers are f***d.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If developing Lycksell is the key to a successful rebuild, the Flyers are f***d.

I'd say that being able to routinely develop guys like him is pretty crucial to a successful rebuild, yes. It's one thing to hit on the can't-fail guys. Cap efficiency requires building up and developing value in other more borderline assets

 

[deadhead]

I'd say that being able to routinely develop guys like him is pretty crucial to a successful rebuild, yes. It's one thing to hit on the can't-fail guys. Cap efficiency requires building up and developing value in other more borderline assets

Yes it does, but players a notch above "fungible." You can add fungible guys off the waiver wire or sign AHL plus types and stash them in LHV.

Lycksell is 24 and has yet to win a NHL job. Allison and Laczynski regressed due to injuries. It happens.
Same with Ginning and Attard at 24 (though teams tend to be more patient with D-men), at some point you either win a job or you become Belpedio.

Avon and Tuomaala are 20, Desnoyers 22, they have a higher upside than Lycksell as role players.
Same with Samson (20), Grans (21), Andrae (just turned 22).
But it's still "up or out," at some point they stop being prospects and become suspects.

 

[Magua]

It's arrogance to determine what is and isn't a "key" to a successful rebuild. I'm sure someone let out a laugh about developing Marchessault or Verhaeghe as being of any real importance. Or William Karlsson and Mats Zuccarello -- just throwing those two names out for no reason.

The Flyers screw up pretty much every can't fail player. When is the last time a player overshot expectations? Forget 6th rounders; they can barely not trip over themselves developing Frost and Sanheim.

Lycksell is 24 and has yet to win a NHL job.

He has been the best Phantoms player in his 2 years here. He's played 12 NHL games. I'm not saying he even is anything, but this little narrative? It isn't it. They're playing 11 forwards for Christ's sake.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

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“They came out harder and played in our face,” Verhaeghe said.

“Credit to them. They’re a good team, and they’re in the playoffs for a reason. I think pucks were bouncing there, and the execution wasn’t our best.

 

[deadhead]

Verhaeghe is an absolute outlier.
44 points his draft season, 82 points in the OHL at 19 and 20.
Started in the ECHL, 75g 44 points in the AHL at 20 and 21.
Broke out at 22 and even better season at 23, but struggled in the NHL at 24 on a loaded TB team.

Marschessault was similar, undersized center went undrafted b/c
53 points his draft year, then 71 and 95 in the Q.
He then spent 4 years in the AHL before TB gave him a shot at 25, FLA at 26, where he had 30 goals before they exposed him in the ED.

The Flyer player like these two isn't Lycksell, it's Gendron.

 

[Hexxxy]

Gendron.

Gagne -> Giroux-> Couturier -> Gendron

 

[dragonoffrost]

Verhaeghe is an absolute outlier.
44 points his draft season, 82 points in the OHL at 19 and 20.
Started in the ECHL, 75g 44 points in the AHL at 20 and 21.
Broke out at 22 and even better season at 23, but struggled in the NHL at 24 on a loaded TB team.

Marschessault was similar, undersized center went undrafted b/c
53 points his draft year, then 71 and 95 in the Q.
He then spent 4 years in the AHL before TB gave him a shot at 25, FLA at 26, where he had 30 goals before they exposed him in the ED.

The Flyer player like these two isn't Lycksell, it's Gendron.

You do know why he ended up in Vegas... he was sent there as the pick along with Reilly Smith to stop Vegas from taking another player. Most likely one of their defensemen.