Post-Game Talk: #49 | FLYERS (A) vs. Devils (H) | Tuesday, Apr. 27, 2021 | Loss 6-4

[deadhead]

and none of them should have been trusted to play NHL games this year

So no, you don't just shrug.

Third goalies? You're talking your starting AHL goalie.
We had Stolarz, blew out his knee.
Lyon had a couple nice seasons, now can't stay healthy.
Ustimenko hurt for the year.
Sandstrom has never made it back from a series of injuries.
We have Ersson in the wings, Fedotov two years away.

I mean what do you want from a GM?

 

[Tripod]

I forgot that we HAD to re-sign Lyon this past offseason. There were no other options. My bad.

 

[Rebels57]

I forgot that we HAD to re-sign Lyon this past offseason. There were no other options. My bad.

Meanwhile the Bruins 3rd string Jeremy Swayman is 5-2 with a .946

 

[Tripod]

Meanwhile the Bruins 3rd string Jeremy Swayman is 5-2 with a .946

In the end, Lyon was our #3 goalie last year....and was re-signed to be the #3 goalie this year.

I think common sense would be that in a year where covid is an issue, adding a better #3 goalie would have been a smart move. Especially when you know Elliott breaks down if he has to play too much.

It's just a "smaller issue" that was an easier fix, but yet another example of not doing smart things. Imagine if we were in a playoff battle right now. No planning at all.

 

[Rebels57]

In the end, Lyon was our #3 goalie last year....and was re-signed to be the #3 goalie this year.

I think common sense would be that in a year where covid is an issue, adding a better #3 goalie would have been a smart move. Especially when you know Elliott breaks down if he has to play too much.

It's just a "smaller issue" that was an easier fix, but yet another example of not doing smart things. Imagine if we were in a playoff battle right now. No planning at all.

Every single decision Fletch made last summer backfired.

 

[Starat327]

In the end, Lyon was our #3 goalie last year....and was re-signed to be the #3 goalie this year.

I think common sense would be that in a year where covid is an issue, adding a better #3 goalie would have been a smart move. Especially when you know Elliott breaks down if he has to play too much.

It's just a "smaller issue" that was an easier fix, but yet another example of not doing smart things. Imagine if we were in a playoff battle right now. No planning at all.

Wait. Tri... are you trying to insinuate that... everything matters?

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

In the end, Lyon was our #3 goalie last year....and was re-signed to be the #3 goalie this year.

I think common sense would be that in a year where covid is an issue, adding a better #3 goalie would have been a smart move. Especially when you know Elliott breaks down if he has to play too much.

It's just a "smaller issue" that was an easier fix, but yet another example of not doing smart things. Imagine if we were in a playoff battle right now. No planning at all.

Adding a better second goalie should have been more of a priority than adding a different third string goalie.

Though, as I conceded in the offseason, the pickings were slim...

 

[deadhead]

Swayman was #111 in the 2017 draft, i.e., same strategy Flyers followed, except our prospects got injured.

Sandstrom #70 in 2015.
Tomek #90 in 2015.
Fedotov #188 in 2015.
Ustimenko #80 in 2017.
Ersson #143 in 2018.

It's hard to find a decent 3rd goalie, since you basically have to stash them in the AHL.
So most teams fill that slot through their own farm system.
Ustimenko should have been the starter at LHV, with Sandstrom as the number 2.
Tomek went belly up, Fedotov is contractually bound to the KHL for one more season, but he's ascending, 13th in S% in the KHL, 10th among goalies who started 20+ games. Ersson played well in the SHL, he may start for LHV next season with Ustimenko.

Flyers signed Lyon as a stopgap b/c their young goalies were either flops, injured or a year or two away.
It's not an 'easy fix,' no NHL caliber goalie would take a job in the AHL when he can make real money as a NHL backup, so you are limited to has been's and never have been's or prospects.

 

[Starat327]

It's honestly just comical

 

[Tripod]

Reminder...Lyon was signed in September.....Usti got hurt in Dec.

"Ustimenko, who turns 22 years old in January, was on the Flyers' 31-man playoff roster in the NHL's return-to-play 24-team tournament. He was the club's fourth netminder, behind Carter Hart, Brian Elliott and Alex Lyon."

 

[deadhead]

Reminder...Lyon was signed in September.....Usti got hurt in Dec.

"Ustimenko, who turns 22 years old in January, was on the Flyers' 31-man playoff roster in the NHL's return-to-play 24-team tournament. He was the club's fourth netminder, behind Carter Hart, Brian Elliott and Alex Lyon."

So? Ustimenko was going to be the starter with Lyon in the AHL, with Lyon the taxi squad call-up.
If Ustimenko has a breakout season, he'd jump ahead of Lyon. Same with Sandstrom.
The opportunity was there, our young goalies didn't step up this year.

Boston in the AHL:
Callum Booth #93 - 2015
Vladar #75 - 2015
Swayman #111 - 2017

 

[TheKingPin]

Everyone knew that re-signing Elliott was a pretty bad move. He's fine-ish when he plays once a week. You can't have that, especially in a shortened season with a tighter schedule.

Actually, many on here were ok with it given the price. I thought it was a poor choice to put the season on a 22 yo personally. If we had a 1B type that played well we could be playoff bound.

 

[deadhead]

Actually, many on here were ok with it given the price. I thought it was a poor choice to put the season on a 22 yo personally. If we had a 1B type that played well we could be playoff bound.

Problem was no upgrade was willing to come here (unless we grossly overpaid, then of course, the same people who criticize Fletcher for not landing a better backup would have criticized him for overpaying for said backup) after Hart was dominant in the bubble. Good backups don't want to be glued to the bench behind a rising star. We saw that with Talbot.

 

[Starat327]

"I know exactly what every goalie and every agent was thinking and i can explicitly speak for them".

Edit: Jaroslav Halak proves your entire theory wrong, but yes, lets keep pretending this narrative is fun to push. Turning your arguments to swiss cheese has become kinda fun in the sense that its entirely too easy yielding a nasty result.

 

[deadhead]

I can make an educated guess that a player good enough to be a 1B isn't going to a team where a 22 year old goalie just had a breakout performance in the playoffs.
A guy good enough to be a 1B is looking for a situation with the potential to start or at least split the starts. Not play 15-20 games in a 56 game season.

 

[Starat327]

Jaroslav Halak Had proven he was a more than capable 1B that signed an easy deal to a dominant 1G.

Why is it just so hard to say "yeah, im wrong" again?

Not in the sense of " Yeah, im wrong again." because i understand that admitting you are wrong multiple times is extremely hard (but should come natural at this point) , but just in the sense that you were, in fact, prove wrong, wel.... again.

 

[Tripod]

Meanwhile the Bruins 3rd string Jeremy Swayman is 5-2 with a .946

meanwhile, the last 4 years we have 14 different goalie samples to choose from, and our best is:

Hart .917
Neuvirth .915
Hart. 914
Elliott .909
Elliott .907

Meanwhile we ran Mason out of town while producing(in his 5 years here):

.944
.917
.928
.918
.908

 

[Rebels57]

meanwhile, the last 4 years we have 14 different goalie samples to choose from, and our best is:

Hart .917
Neuvirth .915
Hart. 914
Elliott .909
Elliott .907

Meanwhile we ran Mason out of town while producing(in his 5 years here):

.944
.917
.928
.918
.908

I think the median save % across the league has gone down the past 5 years but your point about Mason still stands. He was very good for us. Very underappreciated.

 

[FlyTimmo]

meanwhile, the last 4 years we have 14 different goalie samples to choose from, and our best is:

Hart .917
Neuvirth .915
Hart. 914
Elliott .909
Elliott .907

Meanwhile we ran Mason out of town while producing(in his 5 years here):

.944
.917
.928
.918
.908

Love 7 game 0.944 lol

But, yeah he was underappreciated. Even that .908 year was still relatively average league-wide.

 

[deadhead]

Jaroslav Halak Had proven he was a more than capable 1B that signed an easy deal to a dominant 1G.

Why is it just so hard to say "yeah, im wrong" again?

Not in the sense of " Yeah, im wrong again." because i understand that admitting you are wrong multiple times is extremely hard (but should come natural at this point) , but just in the sense that you were, in fact, prove wrong, wel.... again.

Halak signed in Boston at age 33, played 40 games his first season there, 31 his second. That's a 1B role. 2yr/$5.5M contract.
Halak had started 54 games for the Isles the year before. +0.35. He was a subpar starter aging out of that role.
Then signed a 1 year extension last year at age 35.

Rask was coming off seasons of 70, 64, 65, 54 games, turning 31 when they signed Halak. +0.11, +0.16, +0.09, +0.14. PO: ---, ---, +0.23, +0.42.
Rask was overworked and Boston wanted a 1B.

The price for a 1B backup was pretty set, I doubt Halak went to Boston without assurances that he'd be a 1B.

 

[deadhead]

Love 7 game 0.944 lol

But, yeah he was underappreciated. Even that .908 year was still relatively average league-wide.

I no longer use S%, too dependent on team variables, so I go with GAA - xGA/60 as a quick and dirty (not perfect) measure b/c NST has data going back to 2007-2008. Use all strengths b/c it's how much a goalie saves above expected that matters, not which goalie played less PK time, etc.

Flyers have had bad goaltending for a long time:
2009-10: Boucher +0.47, Emery +0.15, Leighton -0.10, PO: Leighton 0.00, Boucher +0.08
2010-11: Bob -0.08, Boucher-0.01, PO: Bob +1.16, Boucher +0.39
2011-12: Bryz +0.07, Bob +0.18, PO: Bryz +0.59
2012-13: Bryz +0.37
2013-14: Mason +0.18, Emery +0.34, PO: Mason -1.00, Emery +0.48
2014-15: Mason -0.23, Emery +0.63
2015-16: Mason +0.01, Neuvirth -0.25, PO: Mason +1.06, Neuvirth -2.21
2016-17: Mason +0.35, Neuvirth +0.72
2017-18: Elliott +0.16, Neuvirth +0.15, Mrazek +0.84, Lyon +0.15, PO: Elliott +2.23, Neuvirth +2.00
2018-19: Hart +0.30, Elliott +0.28, Stolarz +0.66, Pickard +1.64
2019-20: Hart +0.06, Elliott +0.45, PO: Hart -0.46
2020-21: Hart +1.45, Elliott +0.71

 

[Tripod]

Yeah Boston went and got Halak to play/share time with Rask.

Meanwhile we went in with Elliott as our #1 and Neuvirth as our #1B

 

[deadhead]

Elliott actually had a better season before we signed him than Halak did before Boston signed him. And both signed for the same money.

Goalies give HCs grey hair and GMs heart attacks.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Elliott actually had a better season before we signed him than Halak did before Boston signed him. And both signed for the same money.

Goalies give HCs grey hair and GMs heart attacks.

And fans broken TV remotes

 

[Curufinwe]

Mason was out of juice when he left here. His time in Winnipeg was a disaster.