Prospect Info: #41OA - Hurricanes select RW Noel Gunler (Luleå HF - SHL)

[theslatcher]

Has moved up to the second line as Harper has gotten a 5 game suspension.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

back on his bullshit

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Looks like the type of plays we see with us often.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The Gifted: Separating fact from fiction with Hurricanes prospect Noel Gunler

One was done on Necas two years ago and was awesome. This one is too. Goes over his skills, tendencies, and ability to adjust. Good video content too.

 

[LakeLivin]

The Gifted: Separating fact from fiction with Hurricanes prospect Noel Gunler

One was done on Necas two years ago and was awesome. This one is too. Goes over his skills, tendencies, and ability to adjust. Good video content too.

I know that's a paywall site and you can't just copy large portions of the article. But can you provide a brief summary of the main points for us non-subscribers? Like, what about Gunler is "so different from everyone else in approach or ability that he is able to distinguish himself through his uniqueness. These players have turned one skill into the body of their game and highlight all of the different ways hockey can be played at the highest levels." ? (article lead in)

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I know that's a paywall site and you can't just copy large portions of the article. But can you provide a brief summary of the main points for us non-subscribers? Like, what about Gunler is "so different from everyone else in approach or ability that he is able to distinguish himself through his uniqueness. These players have turned one skill into the body of their game and highlight all of the different ways hockey can be played at the highest levels." ? (article lead in)

sure.

A. He said of the 20 goals against he was on the ice for, only 4 would he contribute to his bad play. Some of which is contributed to him trying to fly the zone too early but overall its because he is a teenager. The other 16 had a wide variety of reasons, most he wasnt / couldnt be involved with in the slightest.

B. His shot is electric. He is able to shoot it from anywhere, in any situation and make it a quality chance. He doesnt force his shot even when in 'his spot.' He will pass if a teammate has a better look. He will even disguise his shot by shooting it mid stride, if need be.

C. he said most of the negative feelings comes from his body language. He does slap his stick or get physically upset if he misses a shot or doesnt get the opportunity he wants. Wheeler wonders if perception of Gunler is what caused his played to lessen by 2.5 minutes this season with 0 PP time. He laid on very positive CF%, GF%, etc on why it couldnt be his play that was the issue. He never was a big minutes guy and wasnt higher than 13th on Lulea for PP time. Despite that, he had very positive offensive numbers.

D. He said he wouldnt put him in the top 10 for this past draft but Wheeler says he is easily a 1st rounder. He would even put him in the same talent group as Jarvis and a couple of other offensive prospects drafted around mid 1st.

 

[A Star is Burns]

He's got a lot of talent. We just have to hope some of the other stuff clears up with maturity and nurturing from our org as he comes over. He certainly might grow on that stuff, but you can't really teach the offensive talent he has. And sometimes the hockey world can blow up some of that stuff out of proportion. Maybe he'll fit in just fine as a jerk.

 

[MinJaBen]

He's got a lot of talent. We just have to hope some of the other stuff clears up with maturity and nurturing from our org as he comes over. He certainly might grow on that stuff, but you can't really teach the offensive talent he has. And sometimes the hockey world can blow up some of that stuff out of proportion. Maybe he'll fit in just fine as a jerk.

So how soon can that happen? Is he obligated to be in the SHL another year or two, or can we bring him over and put him in the AHL for more hands on development and more consistent playing time?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So how soon can that happen? Is he obligated to be in the SHL another year or two, or can we bring him over and put him in the AHL for more hands on development and more consistent playing time?

We can bring him on a PTO once the season is over, if we wish. If his contract with his team is up this year than we can bring him to the AHL for next season without a transfer fee. European drafter players are not bond by any transfer agreement based on age like CHL players. Teams do have to pay a transfer fee if they are brought to NA before their contract is up (which a lot of teams count on).

His team possibly being demotes next season may play into as well.

 

[LakeLivin]

sure.

A. He said of the 20 goals against he was on the ice for, only 4 would he contribute to his bad play. Some of which is contributed to him trying to fly the zone too early but overall its because he is a teenager. The other 16 had a wide variety of reasons, most he wasnt / couldnt be involved with in the slightest.

B. His shot is electric. He is able to shoot it from anywhere, in any situation and make it a quality chance. He doesnt force his shot even when in 'his spot.' He will pass if a teammate has a better look. He will even disguise his shot by shooting it mid stride, if need be.

C. he said most of the negative feelings comes from his body language. He does slap his stick or get physically upset if he misses a shot or doesnt get the opportunity he wants. Wheeler wonders if perception of Gunler is what caused his played to lessen by 2.5 minutes this season with 0 PP time. He laid on very positive CF%, GF%, etc on why it couldnt be his play that was the issue. He never was a big minutes guy and wasnt higher than 13th on Lulea for PP time. Despite that, he had very positive offensive numbers.

D. He said he wouldnt put him in the top 10 for this past draft but Wheeler says he is easily a 1st rounder. He would even put him in the same talent group as Jarvis and a couple of other offensive prospects drafted around mid 1st.

Thanks, good stuff! IF (big if) he and Jarvis really do live up to hopes? Wow!

 

[Lempo]

We can bring him on a PTO once the season is over, if we wish. If his contract with his team is up this year than we can bring him to the AHL for next season without a transfer fee. European drafter players are not bond by any transfer agreement based on age like CHL players. Teams do have to pay a transfer fee if they are brought to NA before their contract is up (which a lot of teams count on).

His team possibly being demotes next season may play into as well.

There is a similar rule as with CHL: if the 18-19 y.o. player doesn't make it to the NHL roster, he needs to be offered back to his Euro team before loaning him to AHL or elsewhere. Though, the difference probably is that he probably needs to be signed to the Euro team (not so in CHL). I can't confirm this though.

Usually the Euro teams try to get the best youngings signed longer-term at 17 so that question doesn't arise. Something weird has happened with Gunler. Is he such a dick that his team doesn't want his transfer money if it means risking him staying around?

Actually our press just had some whining from someone about how easily the men's hockey teams' locker room doors nowadays open for the youngsters. It was explicity attributed to the transfer fee monies the teams get from NHL out of them kiddos.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

There is a similar rule as with CHL: if the 18-19 y.o. player doesn't make it to the NHL roster, he needs to be offered back to his Euro team before loaning him to AHL or elsewhere. Though, the difference probably is that he probably needs to be signed to the Euro team (not so in CHL). I can't confirm this though.

Usually the Euro teams try to get the best youngings signed longer-term at 17 so that question doesn't arise. Something weird has happened with Gunler. Is he such a dick that his team doesn't want his transfer money if it means risking him staying around?

Actually our press just had some whining from someone about how easily the men's hockey teams' locker room doors nowadays open for the youngsters. It was explicity attributed to the transfer fee monies the teams get from NHL out of them kiddos.

under 20 CHL draftees that dont make the squad have to be assigned to the CHL team that has their rights per the agreement.

An article from 2015 about a Swedish players Trust the Swedish hockey program with your prospects. They know what they're doing.

another article: NHL primes pump for future talent with transfer fees

I must have made up the contract thing in my head. The NHL as a league pays the development fees to the Swedish Hockey federation to help fund development. In essence that will come out of the owners' pockets as the league isnt making as much money.

The euro leagues dont really have a say if the player signs and gets to play in NA. They get their development money and that is the end of it.

I can see teams trying to prop up the young players as much as possible. More money in the bank.

learned something new today.

 

[Lempo]

I must have made up the contract thing in my head. The NHL as a league pays the development fees to the Swedish Hockey federation to help fund development. In essence that will come out of the owners' pockets as the league isnt making as much money.

I don't think you did make it up, but it's hard to confirm the particulars as the transfer agreements don't seem to be public.

We had some ado of a Finnish player who signed to a SHL team for his draft year, and all the money went to Sweden even though 2/3 should have been for his Finnish teams of draft -1 and -2 seasons. So the very least, the player being signed seems to determine whether a particular transfer agreement is applied to the player in question.

The euro leagues dont really have a say if the player signs and gets to play in NA. They get their development money and that is the end of it.

No, there is the thing about 18-19 y.o. players that they need to be offered back to the Euro team before sending them down. Kuokkanen was under contract to Karpat in FEL but played in OHL in 2016-17 per an understanding with the Canes. Harri Aho was first pretty adamant that Kuokkanen won't be staying in NA for another season and that he would require him being sent back home instead of AHL, but in the end Kuokkanen ended up playing in Checkers for 2017-18. They got it sorted out somehow, but Aho did specifically refer to the transfer agreement on this one.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don't think you did make it up, but it's hard to confirm the particulars as the transfer agreements don't seem to be public.

We had some ado of a Finnish player who signed to a SHL team for his draft year, and all the money went to Sweden even though 2/3 should have been for his Finnish teams of draft -1 and -2 seasons. So the very least, the player being signed seems to determine whether a particular transfer agreement is applied to the player in question.



No, there is the thing about 18-19 y.o. players that they need to be offered back to the Euro team before sending them down. Kuokkanen was under contract to Karpat in FEL but played in OHL in 2016-17 per an understanding with the Canes. Harri Aho was first pretty adamant that Kuokkanen won't be staying in NA for another season and that he would require him being sent back home instead of AHL, but in the end Kuokkanen ended up playing in Checkers for 2017-18. They got it sorted out somehow, but Aho did specifically refer to the transfer agreement on this one.

I haven’t seen anything that says they have to be offered back. In fact the montreal article talked about how Nylander went to Toronto and his SHL team basically went down the tube. Forsberg in that article would hope young guys would stay in the SHL longer for them to sell tickets and such. Why would Nylander’s team not take him back if he was a huge contributor / marketing tool?

 

[Lempo]

I haven’t seen anything that says they have to be offered back. In fact the montreal article talked about how Nylander went to Toronto and his SHL team basically went down the tube. Forsberg in that article would hope young guys would stay in the SHL longer for them to sell tickets and such. Why would Nylander’s team not take him back if he was a huge contributor / marketing tool?

In Finnish on the Kuokkanen case: Kärpät haluaa nuoren lupauksensa takaisin Pohjois-Amerikasta - SuomiKiekko

I had forgotten what I once knew: Aho specifies that Kuokkanen was a 2nd round pick and so the transfer agreement stipulation applies. So apparently, the 1st round draft picks like Nylander are exempt of it, and the NHL can do to them what they will once they get them signed.

Kuokkanen made a three-year deal with the Flies in the summer, but he headed to North America shortly after the NHL draft.

The contract with the Flies was not lost anywhere at the OHL upon departure.

- It's valid. The only alternatives are that he will either play in the NHL or Kärpi, Harri Aho, the sports director of the Oulu club, tells SuomiKiekko about Kuokkanen next season.

According to Aho, the only complicating factor is if the NHL club Carolina Hurricanes, which booked Kuokkanen, makes a deal with the 18-year-old striker.

But even after this, it is very possible that Kuokkanen will return to Oulu.

- He is a second-round reservation, so in this case, the current agreement on going to Europe comes up. If he plays in the NHL, then nothing can be done about it.

With the agreement he mentions, Aho refers to a clause where NHL clubs can decide for themselves where to place players under the age of 20 who are booked in the first round. For second round bookings, European players must first be offered his starting club.

In the case of Jesse Puljujärvi, for example, this was reflected in the fact that the Oilers were allowed to put him in peace on the side of the AHL without being offered back to Kärppi. In the case of Kuokkanen, the situation is different.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

In Finnish on the Kuokkanen case: Kärpät haluaa nuoren lupauksensa takaisin Pohjois-Amerikasta - SuomiKiekko

I had forgotten what I once knew: Aho specifies that Kuokkanen was a 2nd round pick and so the transfer agreement stipulation applies. So apparently, the 1st round draft picks like Nylander are exempt of it, and the NHL can do to them what they will once they get them signed.

that makes more sense. But Sebastain and Kuok's team didnt want them back for a draft +2 year? interesting.

 

[Lempo]

that makes more sense. But Sebastain and Kuok's team didnt want them back for a draft +2 year? interesting.

Same deal there as with CHL: if he makes the NHL roster like Aho did, then the NHL gets to keep him. Only if they tried playing him in a lesser league, he needs first to be offered back to Europe.

Re: Kuokkanen, something happened that turned Harri Aho's head and he let Kuokkanen stay in AHL despite his initial stance. Getting your kid as a 1C in the NHL is a helluva drug.

 

[Unsustainable]

 

[Stickpucker]

With a shot like that I'd hope he can at least turn into a pp2 weapon.

 

[A Star is Burns]

With a shot like that I'd hope he can at least turn into a pp2 weapon.

With a shot like that, he might even turn into the next Drayson Bowman.

 

[theslatcher]

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Returning to Sweden.

 

[DaveG]

not overly surprised. Better than being in the ECHL while waiting for an AHL team to take him on loan.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

not overly surprised. Better than being in the ECHL while waiting for an AHL team to take him on loan.

What we don’t know is what kind of financial support we are providing Norfolk and how much closer to an AHL like situation they will have.

 

[Stickpucker]

I haven't followed Gunler closely but he seemed like a pure finisher....and something the Canes need.

Does he still have a path to the big club? How is his defensive game coming along?

 

[DaveG]

What we don’t know is what kind of financial support we are providing Norfolk and how much closer to an AHL like situation they will have.

it's not about financial support. It's about competition level. That's just not there in the ECHL to the extent that would be beneficial at all to any of our guys aside from Perets and MAYBE Fensore.