Speculation: 40 Goals and 100 Points

[Kimota]

Why Hopefully? What odds would you put on Michkov getting a 100 pts season?

It doesn't even have to be 100 points.

 

[MasterD]

Caufield will hit 40 AT LEAST once for sure.

100 points I really doubt it with this lineup. First, no one seems to have that type of talent, and if they did, there's not enough offense coming from the back end. MABE when Hutson makes it, if he makes it, a guy like Suzuki could. Maybe.

 

[CHfan1]

I think Caufield hits 40 if he plays 72 games or more. No player will get more than 90 points this season.

 

[Seb]

Oui s'il vous plaît

 

[Tyson]

I think Caufield hits 40 if he plays 72 games or more. No player will get more than 90 points this season.

If the Habs have a 90 point player this season I will be shocked.

 

[Scintillating10]

Is this the year we finally have a 40 goal scorer? I doubt we have anyone in this organization that can eclipse 100 points.
Last 40 goal scorer- 1994
Last 100 point scorer- 1986
Hard to believe we have been this starved for star players for this long.

I say no. Caufield could score 40 but I doubt he stays healthy. A 100 points? Only 12 players did that last year. Guaranteed no

 

[Kimota]

Heads didn’t roll when they passed over Bossy, Denis Savard, former Red Army elite (Bure, Mogilny, Fedorov), Iginla, Marian Hossa, Simon Gagné, Getzlaf, Cater, Perry, Giroux, Aho yada yada yada….

Well in the case of Denis Savard, the GM was fired soon after and we got Serge Savard as GM. As for the others, we could not evaluate properly until our guys were ultimately revealed as mistakes.

But we live in a different World of instant gratification where things have to happen now. And prospects have to deliver short term. And with social media and analytics, it's easier to come up with an evaluation quickly and for the response to have an effect. Esp. now where it has been DECADES without a star forward, I think the fans have reached their limits. And also linked to the mediocrity, Habs fans do not give the benefit of the doubts to management like they did in the past. I know some people that have quit watching the Habs. You have seen the empty seats of recent years. I think the Michkov move, the honeymoon with this management is coming to an end. Last year people were ready for a tank for example but this year they won't be as patient. You will see some frustration brewing.

Then a few years from now if we have trouble scoring goals and Michkov is lighting em up with the Flyers......

 

[LaP]

Last Stanley Cup win - 1993. Getting to the finals was nice, but they never raised a banner for that and never carried that momentum into the next season, finishing last. They rarely had the talent in the last 3 decades to challenge for a Cup.

The 1993 season they had 4 players who had 80 points or more and 3 players that had 37 goals or more. Obviously having one of the best goalies of all time helped, but as Price showed it takes more than top goaltending to win a Cup.

The funny thing is the defense was the strongest point of the team beside the multiple 80 points players and 35+ goals scorers and the goalie obviously.

Schneider-Desjardins
Haller-Brisebois
JJD-Odelein
Hill

Was a legitimately great defense. Schneider is among the best offensive dman since 1980. He is ranked 17th in points by a dman since 1980. Desjardins was a borderline Norris complete dman. He finished top 10 in Norris voting 5 times. Odelein was a monster who could actually sort of play hockey. Hill fetcher a good career as a top 3 dman for Carolina and won the cup there as their main guy (most used dman that year). JJD was a very reliable 3rd pairing guy. Haller played most of his career as a 3rd pairing guy but he was a good top 4 for a short while with us. He had skills he was drafted high but dunno what happened after he left. I remember Brisebois being a top prospect at defense in the league. He was very good when young and had an okay career as a top 4 guy. People just expected too much of him he should have never been the main guy under Houle regime.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think Caufield hits 40 if he plays 72 games or more. No player will get more than 90 points this season.

I don't think anyone is going to hit 80. We might not have a 70 point player...

 

[Ezpz]

I don't think anyone is going to hit 80. We might not have a 70 point player...

I think Nick hits 70-71 points if healthy. Potential for more in optimal conditions.

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

Is this the year we finally have a 40 goal scorer? I doubt we have anyone in this organization that can eclipse 100 points.
Last 40 goal scorer- 1994
Last 100 point scorer- 1986
Hard to believe we have been this starved for star players for this long.

Im a child of the 60s and 70s years. This thread makes me sad. No offense. Good quality thread

 

[First Line]

Is this the year ? No

 

[Treb]

Do we "lead" the league in these two categories?

It's pretty remarkable to have achieved this... though not so surprising when you consider that we had Houle/BargainBin running the team for about half that time

40 goals, 50 goals, 100 points

Anaheim: 2014, 2011, 1999
Arizona: 1998, 1997, 1993
Boston: 2023, 2023, 2023
Buffalo: 2023, 1993, 1993
Calgary: 2022, 2008, 2022
Carolina: 2009, 1982, 2006
Chicago: 2022, 1993, 2019
Colorado: 2023, 2023, 2023
Colombus: 2019, Never, Never
Dallas: 2023, 1994, 2023
Detroit: 2009, 1994,1996
Edmonton: 2023, 2023, 2023
Florida: 2023, 2001, 2023
Los Angeles: 2023, 1993, 1994
Minnessota: 2023, 2022, 2022
Montreal: 1994, 1990, 1986
Nashville: 2022, Never, Never
New Jersey: 2023, Never, Never
NYI: 2018, 1993, 1990
NYR: 2022, 2022, 2006
Ottawa: 2008, 2007, 2007
Philadelphia: 2007, 1998, 2018
Pittsburgh: 2022, 2010, 2019
San Jose: 2014, 2006, 2023
Seattle: 2023, Never, Never
Saint-Louis: 2016, 1994, 1994
Tampa Bay: 2023, 2023, 2023
Toronto: 2023, 2022, 2022
Vancouver: 2011, 1998, 2023
Vegas: 2017, Never, Never
Washington: 2023, 2019, 2010
Winnipeg: 2022, 2008, 2007

Obviously, Vegas and Seattle don't really count as they are so new.

For the 40 goals, we are dead last and the only other that was in the 1990s is Arizona (4 years later).

For the 50 goals, Colombus, New Jersey and Nashville never had a 50 goalscorer. In the ones that did have one, Carolina is last by 8 years, followed by us. There are several other teams in the mid/late 90s.

For the 100 points, Colombus, New Jersey and Nashville never had a 100 points scorer. In the one that did, we are last by 4 years.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

While we're pondering oh when oh when will we ever get a 100 points player again and how long it's been since the last time we've had one, elsewhere, out west, they're wondering if a certain someone will repeat his 150+ points season.

That's all I had to say!

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Is this the year we finally have a 40 goal scorer? I doubt we have anyone in this organization that can eclipse 100 points.
Last 40 goal scorer- 1994
Last 100 point scorer- 1986
Hard to believe we have been this starved for star players for this long.

Caufield does 40+ np, but I think Suzuki does 30g 50+ assists. Could be 90 point.

 

[salbutera]

Well in the case of Denis Savard, the GM was fired soon after and we got Serge Savard as GM. As for the others, we could not evaluate properly until our guys were ultimately revealed as mistakes.

But we live in a different World of instant gratification where things have to happen now. And prospects have to deliver short term. And with social media and analytics, it's easier to come up with an evaluation quickly and for the response to have an effect. Esp. now where it has been DECADES without a star forward, I think the fans have reached their limits. And also linked to the mediocrity, Habs fans do not give the benefit of the doubts to management like they did in the past. I know some people that have quit watching the Habs. You have seen the empty seats of recent years. I think the Michkov move, the honeymoon with this management is coming to an end. Last year people were ready for a tank for example but this year they won't be as patient. You will see some frustration brewing.

Then a few years from now if we have trouble scoring goals and Michkov is lighting em up with the Flyers......

3-years after… and it was due to 3-consecutive years of 1st round playoff losses

 

[Miller Time]

40 goals, 50 goals, 100 points

Anaheim: 2014, 2011, 1999
Arizona: 1998, 1997, 1993
Boston: 2023, 2023, 2023
Buffalo: 2023, 1993, 1993
Calgary: 2022, 2008, 2022
Carolina: 2009, 1982, 2006
Chicago: 2022, 1993, 2019
Colorado: 2023, 2023, 2023
Colombus: 2019, Never, Never
Dallas: 2023, 1994, 2023
Detroit: 2009, 1994,1996
Edmonton: 2023, 2023, 2023
Florida: 2023, 2001, 2023
Los Angeles: 2023, 1993, 1994
Minnessota: 2023, 2022, 2022
Montreal: 1994, 1990, 1986
Nashville: 2022, Never, Never
New Jersey: 2023, Never, Never
NYI: 2018, 1993, 1990
NYR: 2022, 2022, 2006
Ottawa: 2008, 2007, 2007
Philadelphia: 2007, 1998, 2018
Pittsburgh: 2022, 2010, 2019
San Jose: 2014, 2006, 2023
Seattle: 2023, Never, Never
Saint-Louis: 2016, 1994, 1994
Tampa Bay: 2023, 2023, 2023
Toronto: 2023, 2022, 2022
Vancouver: 2011, 1998, 2023
Vegas: 2017, Never, Never
Washington: 2023, 2019, 2010
Winnipeg: 2022, 2008, 2007

Obviously, Vegas and Seattle don't really count as they are so new.

For the 40 goals, we are dead last and the only other that was in the 1990s is Arizona (4 years later).

For the 50 goals, Colombus, New Jersey and Nashville never had a 50 goalscorer. In the ones that did have one, Carolina is last by 8 years, followed by us. There are several other teams in the mid/late 90s.

For the 100 points, Colombus, New Jersey and Nashville never had a 100 points scorer. In the one that did, we are last by 4 years.

Thanks!

& wow... for a franchise with the history and legacy that the Habs have, this modern era aversion to elite talent is remarkable. Not sure you could go back in time and intentionally create such a long stretch of mediocrity

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Honnestly I love CC and Suzuki , but you'd think with league wide scoring going up it's time for them to put up some numbers , it really seems impossible in Montreal for some reason..I know the pp is atrocious and no quarterback for it but man you see 70-80-90-100 point players all over the league and cc and Suzuki are the two most talented forwards I've seen since Kovalev and Koivu and dam they still can't go ppg the curse is real

 

[Frankenheimer]

Suzuki is at best an 80 point player. The Habs have no one in the system currently who could someday put up 100 points.

Lane could. Unlikely, but the ceiling is there.

 

[Justin11]

We do not have any player that can hit 100 points on this roster.
40 goals is possible and CC is probably the only one that can attain that feat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It doesn't even have to be 100 points.

A story that won't go away. I think this is about wondering about what kind of offensive forward he will be and at the same time, expecting Reinbacher to be meh. Depends on gut feelings vs actual reality at this stage... Actual reality is we just don't know.

That has to be tongue-in-cheek, right? Michkov and it's not even close. Even if he ends up busting, he's got a greater chance now because Suzuki isn't even a first line player, let alone one who could put up 100 points under current NHL conditions.

Explain to me how Michkov has a greater chance when he has not played 1 NHL game? That has to be a bit premature right?

 

[BLNY]

40g, yes. 100p, no. If Cole and Nick play all 82 games, I see Nick sliding in between 80 and 90 points and Cole getting 40 plus.

 

[Egresch]

I don't think anyone is going to hit 80. We might not have a 70 point player...

I think Nick hits 70-71 points if healthy. Potential for more in optimal conditions.

Cmon guys, Nick had 66 points last season with just 46 games of CC support. Otherwise he was alone. I expect him attacking 80, if they can improve PP it could be even more, but 100 is unrealistic.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Crazy that scoring is up league wide for everybody in the world except the habs , a dam shame i tell ya

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Cmon guys, Nick had 66 points last season with just 46 games of CC support. Otherwise he was alone. I expect him attacking 80, if they can improve PP it could be even more, but 100 is unrealistic.

Maybe.

If he is with CC all year then sure I can see him at 70+. If CC winds up with Dach? Different story.

I think Suzuki’s a solid two way player. Offensively, I don’t see him as the straw that stirs the drink. I realize that’s not necessarily a popular opinion around here but it’s just how I see it.