Post-Game Talk: #39 | Coyotes at Flyers | January 5, 2023

[trostol]

Hayes value is just going up and up and up...move him

 

[Flyer lurker]

They're good at beating teams worse than they are. That's over for a while.

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Some people on here could have said we will have the JVR parade down broad street and be the 25th best team in the league cause torts will get the most out of his system this year. Good enough to be out of top 4 and no Bedard. YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hayes value is just going up and up and up...move him

Take my hayes
PLEASE!

 

[Hurricane28]

4 game winning streak on the heels of Bedard having a phenomenal tournament. We live in hell.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

4 game winning streak on the heels of Bedard having a phenomenal tournament. We live in hell.

Lucky for us that finishing seventh worst yields pretty much the same odds as finishing with the worst record… or so I’m told.

 

[freakydallas13]

Yet again, people unironically think moral victories are they key to making the team better, not drafting elite players.

This team is f***ed.

 

[Embiid]

4 game winning streak on the heels of Bedard having a phenomenal tournament. We live in hell.

You should see my excited "drummer face" right now..

 

[captainpaxil]

Frost and farabee showed chemistry whodathunkit

 

[kudymen]

Oh my god they are beating the best teams in the league!!! They are so close to being an 8th seed in the conference!!! Yes!!!

 

[flyers0909]

Good for Frost

 

[Larry44]

How tf does Hayes get it over TK.

Lobbying to improve Hayes’ profile and establish some trade value? Otherwise incomprehensible.

 

[tucson83]

Yet again, people unironically think moral victories are they key to making the team better, not drafting elite players.

This team is f***ed.

yeah tell that all the teams that made it deeper in the playoffs without top elite talent.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Don't look now but somebody is on a 40 point pace.

any games against Arizona left? what is his pace excluding those 2 outliers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

any games against Arizona left? what is his pace excluding those 2 outliers.

Probably favorably comparable to the rest of the team once you remove their two best games as "outliers" as well.

For someone who claims not to have irrational dislikes of players, you are VERY salty about him having good games .

 

[Ghosts Beer]

By the way, did Ghost dress?

He was horrendous. And I’m not only talking about the Allison goal, where Ghost turned over the puck to Hayes, who sprung Allison, who then skated through a feeble Ghost in the low slot en route to the net.

 

[BernieParent]

How long does Flutcher wait before pulling the trigger and moving the 2023 1st?

You don't get an impact player with a mid-1st round pick anyway.

 

[deadhead]

I don't think anyone has endorsed the sequence of events that lead to Ghost leaving and Risto arriving.
But the incessant puffing of Ghost deserves a push back, he was bad last night, I counted 3 turnovers in the first 30 minutes . . .
Meanwhile, TDA is erratic as hell, but more talented offensively, "if he only had a brain . . ."

We had no chance of finishing in the bottom three, we're just not that putrid. As far as Bedard, whether we finish 5th or 7th won't make much difference. As long as we win b/c young players are stepping up, I'm fine - I just don't want to win b/c a bunch of veterans have career years.

Oh yeah, player development, playing 5 guys 25 and under in the top 6? Allison getting steady minutes since he got healthy. York in the top 4 after he turned his season around in LHV. That's a solid core of players, they just need more. As long as they pick in the top 15 the next couple years, they should add two more solid starters.

This is not a PO team, they're not even a .500 team (W/L+OT), but they're not awful like last season.

They need to move JVR at the TDL and Hayes this summer, for one thing, Couts and Atkinson will probably return next year and that's all the veterans they need, for another, they've gotten faster but can still use more speed. A deal for Provorov should also be explored. Don't have to burn the house down, but some major remodeling is in order.

 

[macleish1974]

4 game winning streak on the heels of Bedard having a phenomenal tournament. We live in hell.

Nah.....hell is coming.........

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Probably favorably comparable to the rest of the team once you remove their two best games as "outliers" as well.

For someone who claims not to have irrational dislikes of players, you are VERY salty about him having good games .

We are not talking about the rest of the team though. You can have that discussion if you like. Remove TK and Hayes 2 best games then compare. Let me know how it looks.

How am I salty? I am cracking up laughing if anything. Sorry I don't get all excite about someone who 42% of his point is against a sad sack Arizona team. FFC out in full today.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I don't think anyone has endorsed the sequence of events that lead to Ghost leaving and Risto arriving.
But the incessant puffing of Ghost deserves a push back, he was bad last night, I counted 3 turnovers in the first 30 minutes . . .
Meanwhile, TDA is erratic as hell, but more talented offensively, "if he only had a brain . . ."

We had no chance of finishing in the bottom three, we're just not that putrid. As far as Bedard, whether we finish 5th or 7th won't make much difference. As long as we win b/c young players are stepping up, I'm fine - I just don't want to win b/c a bunch of veterans have career years.

Oh yeah, player development, playing 5 guys 25 and under in the top 6? Allison getting steady minutes since he got healthy. York in the top 4 after he turned his season around in LHV. That's a solid core of players, they just need more. As long as they pick in the top 15 the next couple years, they should add two more solid starters.

This is not a PO team, they're not even a .500 team (W/L+OT), but they're not awful like last season.

They need to move JVR at the TDL and Hayes this summer, for one thing, Couts and Atkinson will probably return next year and that's all the veterans they need, for another, they've gotten faster but can still use more speed. A deal for Provorov should also be explored. Don't have to burn the house down, but some major remodeling is in order.

Stop with the age 25 and under stuff. NHL age > actual age. Besides look at all the teams in the division. Then lock at their 25 and under. Does that make you all warm and fuzzy?

A solid core that almost every NHL team and match or exceed.

They will be "competitive" the rest of the way. Then they will sell they now have a year under Torts. With Couturier and Cam returning. Ellis making progress we are excited about next year. That will be the spin. Playoff push here we come.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don't think anyone has endorsed the sequence of events that lead to Ghost leaving and Risto arriving.
But the incessant puffing of Ghost deserves a push back, he was bad last night, I counted 3 turnovers in the first 30 minutes . . .
Meanwhile, TDA is erratic as hell, but more talented offensively, "if he only had a brain . . ."

We had no chance of finishing in the bottom three, we're just not that putrid. As far as Bedard, whether we finish 5th or 7th won't make much difference. As long as we win b/c young players are stepping up, I'm fine - I just don't want to win b/c a bunch of veterans have career years.

Oh yeah, player development, playing 5 guys 25 and under in the top 6? Allison getting steady minutes since he got healthy. York in the top 4 after he turned his season around in LHV. That's a solid core of players, they just need more. As long as they pick in the top 15 the next couple years, they should add two more solid starters.

This is not a PO team, they're not even a .500 team (W/L+OT), but they're not awful like last season.

They need to move JVR at the TDL and Hayes this summer, for one thing, Couts and Atkinson will probably return next year and that's all the veterans they need, for another, they've gotten faster but can still use more speed. A deal for Provorov should also be explored. Don't have to burn the house down, but some major remodeling is in order.

Your constant minimization of the matter and all matters is an endorsement of it.

 

[FlyerNutter]

This is not a franchise for the majority of hockey fans.

They are proud to be on the fringes of how an NHL team is run, proud to be the outcast in terms of how they play the game.

Laughing stock sideshow.

 

[DancingPanther]

We need to do something about this Konecny guy. Any GM ships him out for a high pick (or 2) and a prospect. Unfortunately, we have f*** Checker

 

[VladDrag]

any games against Arizona left? what is his pace excluding those 2 outliers.

There are outliers on the other side as well...where he was playing with some of the NHL's worst forwards. Yes, 8 points in two games is an extreme outlier, but so is actively playing your 2nd or 3rd best offensive player in roles where it's almost impossible to score.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

There are outliers on the other side as well...where he was playing with some of the NHL's worst forwards. Yes, 8 points in two games is an extreme outlier, but so is actively playing your 2nd or 3rd best offensive player in roles where it's almost impossible to score.

There are always outliers of some sort. I don't disagree to an extent he was with some slop players. At some point the excuses and whatever else has to be curbed just a little. Lets see him produce the rest of the way as he is getting favorable minutes and line mates. Been that way for a while now. The Flyers desperately need him to step up and be piece to move forward with. Preferably 2nd line center. We shall see how it shakes out.

 

[deadhead]

There are outliers on the other side as well...where he was playing with some of the NHL's worst forwards. Yes, 8 points in two games is an extreme outlier, but so is actively playing your 2nd or 3rd best offensive player in roles where it's almost impossible to score.

Frost has worked his way into a bigger role, partially by improved play off the puck, partially by default.
He's not our 2nd or 3rd best offensive player right now, TK, Hayes, Farabee, JVR are all better.

Farabee is struggling, yet still scoring at a high pace, 2.37 pp/60 for the season. Imagine if he had an offseason to get stronger . . .
Hayes is racking up points with two limited offensive linemates in Laughton and Allison.
JVR is a proven top 6 winger.

This season IS about development, hopefully Frost can grow into a 2C role, and Cates a solid 3C/2LW.