Proposal: 2nd Overall for 5th Overall ++

[Habs10025]

I'm not sure what is happening here - comprehension problems. Lets say its (Ottawa sticks with #3 & #5 overall and keeps one of Tkachuk/Chabot) better than the idea you presented in post #16.

Not a fan of either team btw.

Its a non issue move on .

 

[Rorschach]

Byfield was asked on Sportnet if he was interviewed by Blake during the Virtual Zoom meetings. Byfield said he was not interviewed by Blake. Blake told Byfields agent that they wont be picking that high and did not want to bother him. The question starts at the 1:11 mark.

Mark Yannetti confirms the same when interviewed by the Kings media.

 

[Rorschach]

I you guys want a Franchise monster center like Byfield we will form a bowl with 2 hands and you guys drop picks and players in there until we are say stop.

We can hire DJ Khalid to keep saying "another one..." over and over.

 

[Rorschach]

If LA really has their eye on Byfield and not Stutzle, the problem in prying this pick from LA is that Byfield has potential TO EXCEED Lafrieniere. Stutzle and Laf have both had their coming out parties, quite successfully, and both looked great. The only reason why Stutzle will go below Laf is not because he's not as good, it's because he has the big German pedigree/German league question mark where as Laf has the premium Canadian boy/CHL pedigree. Both are at least AHL-ready if not NHL-ready immediately. I heard Stutzle has put on like 15 pounds of muscle since the end of the WJC, which should only increase his draft stock.

Byfield being younger, his coming out party will happen next year, in theory. That means he has two big negatives...the team who drafts him has to both wait at least an extra year (and maybe LA can't wait) for his development to continue on track and it's unknown if he will continue to develop and exceed his current level of play. But that latter negative is potentially a huge positive too, if you're willing to gamble. All Byfield has to do is equal next year what Laf did this year and he will be more valuable than Laf. He doesn't even need to exceed Laf...being an equal or close-to-equal player but as a #1C will make him clearly more valuable.

And that would be insane.

So the question is...do we go for that gamble and delay, with Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Quick and even a possible bounce-back Carter on the books (that's like 40 mil on the books)? Or do we go for the near-sure thing in Stutzle at #2?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ottawa acquires the 2nd overall for 5th overall + NYI 1st rounder 2020 + 2nd rounder 2020 +
Not sure how fair this is but things can be added on either side to balance.
LA doesn't need another C so they move down to pick Drysdale and acquire more assets along the way.

Ottawa selects Stutzle 2nd overall and Byfield 3rd overall.

Tkachuk - Byfield - Duclair
Stutzle - Brown - Batherson
Formenton - Norris - Brown
Ryan - Tierney - White

Is this a joke? What's to stop Detroit from taking Jamie Drysdale with the #4 pick. LA would be insane to make this trade if they want Drysdale just take him at #2 and be done with it.

 

[Rorschach]

Back to the trade proposal...it's true LA has a huge logjam at center. On the NHL level, we have Kopitar, old-man Carter and old-man Lewis still as possible NHL-level Cs. Plus we have Kempe, our younger current center-playing-as-wing. But in the prospects cupboard, we have NHL-ready or close-to-ready guys: 1C - Vilardi and Turcotte, 2-3C Rasmus Kupari, Akil Thomas and Jaret Anderson-Dolan.

At the NHL level, we are stacked at RHD, starting with Doughty and includes guys like Sean Walker with guys like Sean Durzi in the pool. Goaltending we are fine for now with Petersen the heir-apparent to Quick, who is still around. Wings we still have guys like Brown and Carter, who can play wing, plus recent grad Blake Lizotte plus Iafallo, with very promising prospects like Grundstrom along with last year's picks, Fagemo and Kaliyev.

What we lack is LHD, after trading away Muzzin and Martinez, and not graduating anyone new.

Sorry for the long diatribe but the point is, if Ottawa wants us to trade that far down from 2 to 5, there's no guarantee we will get Drysdale or anyone else we want...even if Ottawa guaranteed who they pick with 2 and 3, there's no guarantee on who Yzerman will pick for Detroit, especially if Ottawa's goal is to take Stutzle, who Yzerman is reportedly enamored with. So that drop from 2 to 5 is enormous.

You'll have to trade us something we need bad...Thomas Chabot, your 23-year-old LHD 1D, plus something else.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Byfield is really too good to pass up

So is stutzle.

If ottawa comes out of the draft with stutzle and drysdale I think they'll be happy adding a potential top line center and top pair d.

 

[funky]

So on Draft Day Blake shakes it up.

knowing Ottawa wants Byfield he trades the 2 and later 2nd rounders to Ottawa for their #3 and there late 1st.

he knows Yzermam covets Stutzle and trades Detroit the 3 RD for the 4th the 32.

Blake picks Drysdale at 4th and claims they would have picked him at 2.

he then uses his newly aquired assets and his 2nds to move up and try for Sanderson. Failing that he targets Guhle, And Wallinder with the aquired picks.

or he does the right thing and just picks Byfield. Much easier doing that.

As set as we seem at center it is not a given:

Kopitar - aging

Carter - aging, 2 down seasons, better suited wing

Vilardi - rookie w major health issues, now on track

Turcotte - illness contributed to poor D2 year. Still see him as an above average 2nd line two way center.

Kupari - all the speed in the world before knee injury. Lower IQ. Best suited for wing

JAD - possibly a Stoll like 3rd lime center. Worst case an elite 4th line center/ PK specialist.

Thomas - can see him converted to wing.

Lizotte - love the guy but to small for pivot


Pick Byfield and If everyone pans out trade the weaker of the group for positions of need.

 

[AlexGretzchenvid]

Trading #2 is a no no for the kings

Unless they get a haul from a more competitive team.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

So on Draft Day Blake shakes it up.

knowing Ottawa wants Byfield he trades the 2 and later 2nd rounders to Ottawa for their #3 and there late 1st.

he knows Yzermam covets Stutzle and trades Detroit the 3 RD for the 4th the 32.

Blake picks Drysdale at 4th and claims they would have picked him at 2.

he then uses his newly aquired assets and his 2nds to move up and try for Sanderson. Failing that he targets Guhle, And Wallinder with the aquired picks.

or he does the right thing and just picks Byfield. Much easier doing that.

As set as we seem at center it is not a given:

Kopitar - aging

Carter - aging, 2 down seasons, better suited wing

Vilardi - rookie w major health issues, now on track

Turcotte - illness contributed to poor D2 year. Still see him as an above average 2nd line two way center.

Kupari - all the speed in the world before knee injury. Lower IQ. Best suited for wing

JAD - possibly a Stoll like 3rd lime center. Worst case an elite 4th line center/ PK specialist.

Thomas - can see him converted to wing.

Lizotte - love the guy but to small for pivot


Pick Byfield and If everyone pans out trade the weaker of the group for positions of need.

I doubt Ottawa gives up anything good to move from 2 to 3. EIther way they're drafting a potential franchise center.

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

If Ottawa wants the 2nd overall pick it has to be Tkachuk or Chabot if Ottawa isn't willing to make that offer .

LA will keep the pick its doubtful they trade it unless they get what they want and that's likely some team over paying for the 2nd overall pick.

LMFAO.. no, that's not the cost of 2nd overall if 5th overall is getting traded..

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

The Kings prospect pool needs quality, not more quantity. I feel there is a secondary tier that drops off after Byfield and Stutzle, so no thanks

 

[Habs10025]

LMFAO.. no, that's not the cost of 2nd overall if 5th overall is getting traded..

The 2nd overall pick is worth whatever LA want it to be.

 

[KevinRedkey]

To OTT:
2nd overall (To select Stutzle)

To LAK:
3rd overall
52nd overall (via DAL)

Unless Stutzle is their guy, then this is an easy yes from LA IMO.
From OTT's POV - A late 2nd to secure their guy is worth it IMO.

 

[Perennial]

If Ottawa wants the 2nd overall pick it has to be Tkachuk or Chabot if Ottawa isn't willing to make that offer .

LA will keep the pick its doubtful they trade it unless they get what they want and that's likely some team over paying for the 2nd overall pick.

Would the Kings trade the #2 pick for Tkachuk?

I think you'd have to take that if you're Ottawa

 

[JoemAvs]

If I am Dorion, I am drowning Blake in picks in exchange for giving up #2.

Sens biggest organisational hole by far is down the middle.
Fixing this by landing Byfield AND Stützle?
Almost priceless. Especially in a year where development time outside of the NHL for the non- blue chippers is a huge questionmark due to COVID-19.

We know you want a D anyways Mr. Blake.
Howabout #5, NYI 1st, #33 + another 2nd rounder?
Want us to throw in a prospect as well maybe?
Do you like Brannstrom (would have to subtract some of the picks then, though)? Or one of our roster players not named Tkatchuk or Chabot?

I know Sens fans probably wouldn't like it but if I am Dorion, I am heavily overpaying to make it happen and fix my center depth for the next 10-15 years in one draft.

But yeah. Ultimately the Kings probably won't go for it ( and shouldn't) but if I am Dorion, I am throwing the bank at Blake to make it happen...

 

[McJedi]

For thr 5th pick, LA should absolutely rip Ottawa’s face off. Several 1sts in 2020 and 2021 as well as a few seconds.

for the 3rd overall pick. Could ask for all their 2nd rounders.

Gotta make that trade really hurt too but within reason.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Kings prospect pool needs quality, not more quantity. I feel there is a secondary tier that drops off after Byfield and Stutzle, so no thanks

Drysdale is in the same sentence as Byfield and Stutzle IMO. Then a drop. In fact, I might have Drysdale ahead of Byfield. Byfield reminds me of Nolan Patrick type pick. Now before some flip out, there are no guarantees and each player is different. Just saying... Byfield is a big dude that skates well and can take advantage of CHL players who are much smaller than him. He was only 17 at the WJC but so was Drysdale, Raymond, and Holtz.

I think Drysdale is neck and neck with Byfield.

Lafreniere
Stutzle
Drysdale
Byfield
*drop in talent

 

[Mr Positive]

Byfield is perfect for LA. Someone to take Carters role

 

[Ararana]

If I am Dorion, I am drowning Blake in picks in exchange for giving up #2.

Sens biggest organisational hole by far is down the middle.
Fixing this by landing Byfield AND Stützle?
Almost priceless. Especially in a year where development time outside of the NHL for the non- blue chippers is a huge questionmark due to COVID-19.

We know you want a D anyways Mr. Blake.
Howabout #5, NYI 1st, #33 + another 2nd rounder?
Want us to throw in a prospect as well maybe?
Do you like Brannstrom (would have to subtract some of the picks then, though)? Or one of our roster players not named Tkatchuk or Chabot?

I know Sens fans probably wouldn't like it but if I am Dorion, I am heavily overpaying to make it happen and fix my center depth for the next 10-15 years in one draft.

But yeah. Ultimately the Kings probably won't go for it ( and shouldn't) but if I am Dorion, I am throwing the bank at Blake to make it happen...

If I were Blake I'd be too worried about Yzerman taking Drysdale at 4 even through they took a D last year at 6. Otherwise, I'd propose #2 for #5 + Brannstrom + NYI first.

Ottawa gets Byfield and Stutzle essentially completing their center depth in one draft. Yeah they now need to look at defense to replace Brannstrom in their system, but they'd still have four second rounders maybe package a few of those to jump up and snipe a defenseman.

LA gets Drysdale and Brannstrom to add to Turcotte and Vilardi, and still have another pick in the first round. They'd have (assuming) their top two centers and top two defenseman already in a rebuild where they haven't actually torn apart their roster yet. Makes more sense to me than having Kopitar (not going anywhere), Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi all down the middle while having a wasteland for defensive prospects.

 

[JoemAvs]

If I were Blake I'd be too worried about Yzerman taking Drysdale at 4 even through they took a D last year at 6. Otherwise, I'd propose #2 for #5 + Brannstrom + NYI first.

Ottawa gets Byfield and Stutzle essentially completing their center depth in one draft. Yeah they now need to look at defense to replace Brannstrom in their system, but they'd still have four second rounders maybe package a few of those to jump up and snipe a defenseman.

LA gets Drysdale and Brannstrom to add to Turcotte and Vilardi, and still have another pick in the first round. They'd have (assuming) their top two centers and top two defenseman already in a rebuild where they haven't actually torn apart their roster yet. Makes more sense to me than having Kopitar (not going anywhere), Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi all down the middle while having a wasteland for defensive prospects.

I mean it realistically only works if Blake loves both Drysdale/Sanderson or one of the third tier forwards (Rossi?Raymond?) or if he simply wants to go for it and would turn around and turn the boatload of picks into players from places like Tampa or Vegas or Toronto that are in huge captrouble....

Also Detroit really could use a LHD instead of a RHD so if it is close for them between Sanderson and Drysdale, I very well could see them go Sanderson considering they already have Seider and Hronek pencilled in on the right side of their D for the next decade.

I personally would make that trade from an Ottawa POV even though I'd try to replace the NYI 1st with 2-3 of their 2nd rounders instead and maybe look at Askarov with the NYI pick...

The Sens are not going to be a playoff team next season most likely even if they add Byfield / Stützle.
Thats the draft to pair Chabot with another stud D to give them a scary blueline as well if you factor in that prospects like Thomson and JBD have a decent chance at turning into atleast 2nd pairing guys.

I am not sold on Brannstrom anyways so if he is the price to get me a Stützle/Byfield combo down the middle, I would gladly pay it.

But ultimately I just think LA is smart enough to just keep the pick and get them one of these centers no matter how many picks I am throwing their way..
Byfield/Stützle are simply too good down the middle to pass up even though you are already strong in the middle.

 

[guyzeur]

For thr 5th pick, LA should absolutely rip Ottawa’s face off. Several 1sts in 2020 and 2021 as well as a few seconds.

for the 3rd overall pick. Could ask for all their 2nd rounders.

Gotta make that trade really hurt too but within reason.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

 

[kilowatt]

If Ottawa wants to make a trade to move up one spot, the Kings might accept. But the Kings aren't choosing any later than three. They will take one of Byfield or Stützle.

 

[guyzeur]

If I am Dorion, I am drowning Blake in picks in exchange for giving up #2.

Sens biggest organisational hole by far is down the middle.
Fixing this by landing Byfield AND Stützle?
Almost priceless. Especially in a year where development time outside of the NHL for the non- blue chippers is a huge questionmark due to COVID-19.

We know you want a D anyways Mr. Blake.
Howabout #5, NYI 1st, #33 + another 2nd rounder?
Want us to throw in a prospect as well maybe?
Do you like Brannstrom (would have to subtract some of the picks then, though)? Or one of our roster players not named Tkatchuk or Chabot?

I know Sens fans probably wouldn't like it but if I am Dorion, I am heavily overpaying to make it happen and fix my center depth for the next 10-15 years in one draft.

But yeah. Ultimately the Kings probably won't go for it ( and shouldn't) but if I am Dorion, I am throwing the bank at Blake to make it happen...

Why the rush? One of Byfield/Stutzle, plus one more year to find out what we have with Logan Brown and Norris.
Same with White that will rebound from last year - started with a pulled groin injury and was not the same after.
We also have an abundance of picks next year. There's no rush.

 

[JoemAvs]

Why the rush? One of Byfield/Stutzle, plus one more year to find out what we have with Logan Brown and Norris.
Same with White that will rebound from last year - started with a pulled groin injury and was not the same after.
We also have an abundance of picks next year. There's no rush.

Not really. You are only getting the chance of picking a center in the top3 only so often.
If you get to draft 2 stud Cs in a single draft, you do it no questions asked. Especially if you have such a giant sized hole down the middle as the Sens have.
I also believe the gap between 3 and 4 in this draft is bigger than many others believe.

I also don't think this is a good draft to make as many picks in as the Sens are projected to be right now with all the uncertainty around the CHL/NCAA/AHL/etc and their immediate future due to COVID-19.

If you get the chance to build around Byfield/Stützle/Chabot/Tkatchuk, you take it IMO. Thats potentially 2 #1 Cs, a #1 D and a #1 W right there.
Thats the way you win a cup. Strength down the middle. Adding wingers or lesser Ds won't ever be as impactful as potentially getting that cupwinning 1-2 punch down the middle...