Teams are swooning over signing College FAs that are 22 and at a PPG. We have ourselves an 18 year old at over a PPG and he’s a 6’2 C. Everyone should be happy.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2017-nhl-draft-post-your-draft-list.2361151/Would be curious to look through that thread.
Okay you win. You figured me all out without knowing a thing about my posting. I'm certainly solely comparing both guys based on what Chipchura careed ended...I mean...I keep talking about 3rd line C potential, and we all know Chipchura's career is a testament of how great a 3rd line NHL C he has become..lol.
Okay you win. You figured me all out without knowing a thing about my posting. I'm certainly solely comparing both guys based on what Chipchura careed ended...I mean...I keep talking about 3rd line C potential, and we all know Chipchura's career is a testament of how great a 3rd line NHL C he has become..lol.
I think 3rd line C is pretty much base line for him. I can see a #2 C there. Mind you things never work out for us so conservative estimates are probably best lol. He just seems more skilled than he was given credit for initially when many of those #3 C predictions were mostly made. He just seems to make smart decisions and is a really impressive passer. If he had any better hands then I'd be super pumped but that shouldn't hold him back.
All this sniping back and forth!
It seems to me that the situation is simple. Whitesnake has a lower projection for Poehling than the average here. That's ok, there's noting sinister about it. He probably feels that Chipchura is an example of a player that got hyped in the past and became nothing more than a 4th liner.
Doesn't mean that Whitesnake is a bad person.
It also doesn't mean he will be right.
Personally, I think Poehling has very good top 6 potential, based on his skating, vision and hands, all of which seem better than Chipchura's at the same age. And he is willing to go to dirty areas.
But I too could be wrong.
Time will tell.
Wasn't Leblanc playing in a not very competitive conference?
I don't know much about strength of conferences in NCAA hockey...I'm assuming the Ivy League Circuit isn't very competitive.
Could be wrong though.
His development curve looks kind of impressive at the moment. It’s still way too early in the season to call him a steal, but I’m very happy with the pick so far. I would be thrilled if he can become a solid 2C.
I've been watching the games and the play by play guys for SCSU have raved about how much better he looks since last year, confidence, maturity, etc.. We'll see how it goes as you are certainly correct it's way too early to say much of anything on him one way or the other as we don't have a lot to go off. For me at the time of the draft I felt you really had to discount what he did in the NCAA at 17 as it's very difficult to compare since it doesn't happen that often. Now a days I think you would see more 19 year old Freshman then 18 year olds, so it shows just how rare 17 year olds are. Their schedule to date has been light outside of BC but that's about to change quickly. UMD, Denver, CC, UNO and North Dakota are the teams they face over the next 5 weeks. Going to be very interesting to see how things go. SCSU has moved into #2 in the rankings at USCHO behind Denver who will be very tough to beat this year.
Poehling was a perfect pick, exactly what we needed, a true all situations centerman. I love guys who compete and can think the game, and he clearly has talent. He got underrated due to being 17 in the NCAA. Our benefit.
My only point was NOT to say Poehling was a bad pick. Just to say that personnally I would have preferred Tolvanen. People say did you thought that at the time....well....am I using Poehling's "bad start" to praise Tolvanen? How could I....Poehling has a formidable start. Was just stating my opinion on the subject. But like a poster said.....let's just concentrate this year on what Ryan does and praise his play and really hope he turns for the best. But he has had a great start.
Fact remains, you are less impressed by Poehling than many others are. It's too early to tell. Personally, I can easily see a second center there, with a possibility he turns into a two-way first center of the Toews, Bergeron or Kopitar variety, or prime 70 point Plekanec, though not the Crosby, McDavid or Eichel kind.
I do NOT think that drafting this type of player at #26 is wrong. If Tolvanen is better, then so be it, and you get props for wanting him from the start, but right now Poehling might be our overall best prospect so I am happy to date.
Kristo had attitude discpline problem. He fixed it later but lost a lot of development time. If not for that he would have been a third liner in NHL.Nope. I'm not less impressed by him based on his start. Doing what he does at 18 is impressive. My point, and we'll stop there, is just based on potential for the future. Let,s be happy for what he does now. But in no way is it exactly a sign of how great a player will be in the future. I don't have to remind people of my worst player crush in Danny Kristo. 58 points in 50 games in the USHL the year after he was drafted. 36 points in 41 games his 1st year in the NCAA. Now, I'M not comparing both players play here...just talking about stats in that case.
Everybody has to be REALLY impressed by what Poehling is doing. Absolutely no doubt.
It has been getting less and less rare these days. This year has Hughes (I'm omitting Tkachuk as he is 18 for the entire season). 2016 had Charlie McAvoy and Luke Kunin. 2015 had Eichel, Hanifin and Werenski. Some of these were late birthdays, but Werenski for example is a July birthday, and none were more than 2 months older than Poehling relative to his draft year. Moreover, we get to see plenty of 17 year olds play against NCAA competition. For example, Keller didn't play against the NCAA competition but we know he was about 1.5ppg against them in about a dozen games played. We also get to see 17 year olds playing in top leagues that are better than NCAA basically every year. The common theme is that sure it's not terribly common for a 17 year old to play in the NCAA, but we do have recent examples, and Poehling did by far the least among them.
Just look at every name you mentioned..... that is very good company to be keeping.....
He didn't keep it though. That was my point. What made those players special was not that they played in the NCAA at 17. It was that they excelled. The only thing Poehling's performance in the NCAA tells us is that he's probably not cut from that same cloth.
It has been getting less and less rare these days. This year has Hughes (I'm omitting Tkachuk as he is 18 for the entire season). 2016 had Charlie McAvoy and Luke Kunin. 2015 had Eichel, Hanifin and Werenski. Some of these were late birthdays, but Werenski for example is a July birthday, and none were more than 2 months older than Poehling relative to his draft year. Moreover, we get to see plenty of 17 year olds play against NCAA competition. For example, Keller didn't play against the NCAA competition but we know he was about 1.5ppg against them in about a dozen games played. We also get to see 17 year olds playing in top leagues that are better than NCAA basically every year. The common theme is that sure it's not terribly common for a 17 year old to play in the NCAA, but we do have recent examples, and Poehling did by far the least among them.
Kristo had attitude discpline problem. He fixed it later but lost a lot of development time. If not for that he would have been a third liner in NHL.
He will do more than plekanecPoehling sounds as though he might become the successor to Plekanec.
WE must be talking about two different people.These are 3 of your first 4 quotes about Poehling.....bust, bust and he sucks doesn't scream probably play in the NHL.......sounds more like we're gonna b lucky if he plays 30 games in the NHL.
Summer tournament was not against the university of Acapulco....they played against the best of each country (same age group) of countries who are hockey superpowers
You have to start somewhereThe habs need more of that
So far so good for Poehling... Since the draft, he's done everything expected of him. He's on the right track. I'm looking forward to see how far the train goes.