Agreed. Larsson is on the cusp and isn't as young as the rest. I think if he gets into the lineup, he'll accel under Nolan's hand. But Grigorenko and Zadorov seem to fit with the assessment made by Nolan and LaFontaine of kids not put in a position to succeed. They need cycles, reps, playing time to work on their warts.
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Agreed. Larsson is on the cusp and isn't as young as the rest. I think if he gets into the lineup, he'll accel under Nolan's hand. But Grigorenko and Zadorov seem to fit with the assessment made by Nolan and LaFontaine of kids not put in a position to succeed. They need cycles, reps, playing time to work on their warts.
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I was thinking that about Leino too.I WANTED to pick nits in his game last night. Anything, everything... looking for crap to justify railing about him coming out of the lineup and Larsson going in. I didn't find any. He actually played well in the middle and on the PP. I'll probably be looking that way again tonight and for a long time into the future given the shear volume of negative emotion attached to Ville's performance outside of a little stretch of last season.
But for right now, even my hatred of McBain can't find a reason for him to drop out of the lineup at this time over Zadorov. But the cat back in the bag so to speak.
I felt the same way about Leino. I didn't think he had a great game, but it was positive. It almost seemed like he was out of shape, maybe due to the injuries and whatnot, but I thought he visibly slowed as the game went on. Let's hope the decisions come within the week and get these kids in a spot where they can get something positive going.
Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing in regards to Zadorov/Larsson.
I just think Nolan doesn't really like the young guys besides Zem.
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Far too early to even really think about that.
It could be that Nolan/Patty think that the young guys might be better elsewhere, but there's really no evidence yet to support that Nolan "doesn't like" the kids.
You're right, poor choice of words. I think he doesn't like the idea of playing them this early in their career unless they've deserved it. But I think Larsson has, although his time is better served in Roch.
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I agree and he is a Leino **** show away from getting back in.
I could see Larsson centering the 4th line when Scott isn't dressed.
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Squantosawuss
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...says Nolan in the article:
"You know what? I can't even put it into words," Nolan said of his first win as an NHL coach since 2008. "It was one of those games where you didn't know where this type of day would ever happen again. It was really very emotional. I'll have a good cry after everybody leaves."
How can you not like and root for this guy, regardless of the team he's coaching?
BloFan4Life
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The problem with the situation now is that Nolan is playing for a job. He wants to have guys that will help him best NOW.
Wouldn't surprise me if he wanted guys like Kaleta, Porter and Adam up here. Not a bad thing, but developing young guys is not what he is looking to do.
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Pysk, Risto, and Girgs. 3 rookies playing big roles is probably too much for any coach to stand.
Zads wasnt expected to be here. Larsson is a head scratcher, I am missing something there I guess. I thought he would be a regular.
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He has 3 rookies in the lineup. When he says its not fair to play 18-19 year olds vs 26-27 year olds I know he is thinking of Grigorkenko.
Zads wasnt supposed to be here, even with the tank. Only question is Larsson.
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I know.
I don't expect it to happen..just saying if another kid was to be sent down I'd rather it be Girgs. He's 19 with more offensive upside than Larsson I believe. Larsson has paid his dues in minors...he's ready for NHL..don't think putting him in the A will do much for him.
MacOfNiagara
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As is warranted. His continued maturation will be slow and steady but he is the kind of player you need in the playoffs and esp on a championship team.
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Based on Enroth being on the ice this morning for the optional pre-game skate, Miller is the likely starter. -----> http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=74496749&postcount=18
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one thing i love about the first coaching move that nolan did is to put in perspective that having young guys (teenagers) play against well developed 28 year old players is setting them up for failure. A huge part of a player's development is being patient with them. There's very few exceptions to this (crosby for example).
That's why I am hoping grigs and zads are sent down. Putting them on the right path to develop will pay off big time (or at least it increases their chance of eventually reaching their potential) in the future.
This is all a part of our rebuild as well. you gotta be patient and let them develop into what you are expecting out of their future when you draft them.
That's why I am hoping grigs and zads are sent down. Putting them on the right path to develop will pay off big time (or at least it increases their chance of eventually reaching their potential) in the future.
This is all a part of our rebuild as well. you gotta be patient and let them develop into what you are expecting out of their future when you draft them.
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