Post-Game Talk: #21 | FLYERS 1 at Rangers 4 | Wednesday, Dec. 1, 2021 | 7:00 pm ET | NHLN, MSG, NBCSP+

[Ironmanrulez]

I'm at a similar place.

It's not a coaching issue nearly as much as it's a player issue. The same things keep happening regardless of coach. Lack of focus, laziness, failing to move their feet, failure to execute the simplest of plays. They aren't good enough, for one (and that's the overarching issue), but these issues make the problem much worse.

I also would change to Torts just to make the players' lives a living hell for their concentration lapses and inconsistent effort. And because this team is so boring that Torts would at least provide some form of entertainment.

And I'm ready to continue with a scrap and rebuild. I don't think everyone needs to go, but their oldest players do. And some of the younger ones, too.

But players who left this franchise perform very well. How's that?

 

[Hanover Fist]

He broke even on a roster where almost everyone else got caved in. I'd say he did pretty well.

He's definitely proving your idea that he couldn't improve on Thompson was nonsense

If a few expected mistakes a rookie makes means that he’s not ready. how in the hell is a 37 year old vet that makes mistakes every frigging shift and contributes not a god damn thing ready

 

[Rebels57]

Over the past 5 seasons, I wonder how many of the Top 20 longest losing streaks in the NHL the Flyers hold?

 

[Beef Invictus]

You are insulting the intelligence of everyone on here if you expect anyone to believe that EVERYONE was wrong about ALL those prospects, rather than simply admitting that it is far more likely the development failed them.

But at the same time a consensus among a group of hockey professionals is infallible.

Except for this.

Weird.

 

[WayneCashman]

Lou Lamoriello? Jeez.... dude....

Talk about hiring a dinosaur. The dude even has some weird fetish about facial and long hair. The guy is trying so hard to compensate.

Correction - Lou Lamorielli0-like would have been better to say

 

[Hanover Fist]

Burners are against the terms and conditions agreed to when using this website. Who would do that?

Oh shit! I should’ve read the terms…… I burn every time I’m on here…… like right now even

 

[WayneCashman]

It's really quite something to behold that over 10 years and through -

3 GMs
5 coaches
2 Presidents
and multiple roster turnovers

the Flyers manage to keep assembling slow, uncompetitive, teams.

When you see the changes that have occurred at all levels of the organization, it's baffling.

What is the constant?

 

[Hanover Fist]

What is the constant?

Losing?

 

[WayneCashman]

Losing?

Yes absolutely, but who has been in the building that long if not longer?

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Yes absolutely, but who has been in the building that long if not longer?

the equipment boy!

 

[Hanover Fist]

Yes absolutely, but who has been in the building that long if not longer?

Clarke and Holmgren for sure. Until you remove them Comcast will continue to listen to those two outdated fools… oh and old Jim groin pull Mccrossin

 

[flyersnorth]

What is the constant?

Giroux. Holmgren. Clarke. Probably a lot of other lower profile folks too. Scouts, trainers, advisors, medical staff.

Giroux is not a problem.

Holmgren? Clarke? I have no idea how much input they actually have. Homer probably has had more over the past ten years just because he was more recently in an executive role.

The easy answer is to say it's their 'old' way of thinking that is responsible. But I really don't believe it's that simple.

My honest opinion is that it's less about 'old' way of thinking and more about them just not being able to build the right kind of team with the right kind of coaching, even with modern approaches.

So I believe all of these guys bleed orange and black. They want to win. They just haven't been able to put all the right pieces together.

 

[deadhead]

You are insulting the intelligence of everyone on here if you expect anyone to believe that EVERYONE was wrong about ALL those prospects, rather than simply admitting that it is far more likely the development failed them.

Well, if those prospects were that good, you'd expect them to go elsewhere and shine, like Williams, Sharp and Seidenberg did.

So who has blossomed once they escaped the Flyer Gulag?

Vorobyev and Kase aren't exactly tearing up the KHL and Czech league.
Has Twarynski been recalled to the Kraken yet?
Friedman is the #8 D-man in Pittsburgh (by TOI, he's played due to injuries)

 

[macleish1974]

Get ready for that Montreal/NYI Series Shell to make a comeback


Because it worked oh so well then.

How about Left Wing Lock......just compelling drama to watch........

 

[tictactoe]

Well if you are okay with him scoring 6 of his 7 goals over a 5 game stretch then its safe to assume that you will be fine with JVR if he has a stretch like that to even things out?

Did I say I was ok...? I said, I do NOT disagree with your post, that means - 1 goal in 16 games is NOT ffing ok. At the same time, you cannot ignore the fact that Cam is still on pace to score 27 goals.

 

[Curufinwe]

27 is nice, but not amazing. JVR had 27 in 66 games the last time there was a full season.

 

[Curufinwe]

Well I will say this, good or bad, you have Clark and Holmgren in the same building so who is really sure.. I think though that Fletcher is most certainly "responsible" for most things but that is not to say he has "final decision".. There are organizational charts and then there is the real power structure.

That’s a fantasy. Fletcher is in control, and it’s falling apart.

 

[Larry44]

Who, incidentally, hasn't won jack shit in recent memory. Genuinely have no idea what people are thinking suggesting that ass clown.

It seems, Captain, we are in agreement! I hate AV just as much…

 

[Curufinwe]

It'll be interesting to find out in a couple years who made the major decisions like hiring AV, or going all in this season.
Fletcher? Scott? Holmgren advising Scott?
Was the decision to trade for Risto Fletcher's idea or pushed by AV.

We already know who the GM is, and why he made all those moves. He’s told us at length. This is like the nonsense where people claimed Ghost wasn’t hurt in 19-20, even though he publicly talked in detail about how his injuries affected him.

The Flyers are a terrible team this season. You don’t need to spend all day making excuses for Fletcher and imagining conspiracy theories for why that’s the case.

 

[Magua]

@VladDrag @DancingPanther @landsbergfan — I’ve been briefly browsing pizzabuzz this week because our favorite Sith Lord is leading the campaign to fire Vigneault and Fletcher, is defending all the young players, is talking possession stats, etc. I agree with everything he says. It’s a f***ing hoot to read but also possibly a sign of the apocalypse and/or my eroding sanity.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Steve Mason played 61 games and has a .917 SV% the year before Hextall took over.

Steven Mason played 51 games and had a .928 SV% in Hextall's first year.

Steve Mason played 54 games and had a .918 SV% in Hextall's second year.

That's not garbage, so I didn't read the rest of your post.

Mason was a terrific goalie here..

 

[Curufinwe]

@VladDrag @DancingPanther @landsbergfan — I’ve been briefly browsing pizzabuzz this week because our favorite Sith Lord is leading the campaign to fire Vigneault and Fletcher, is defending all the young players, is talking possession stats, etc. I agree with everything he says. It’s a f***ing hoot to read but also possibly a sign of the apocalypse and/or my eroding sanity.

Also constantly claiming that Hextall didn’t deserve to be fired. All those long winded essays about how good MacDonald and Hakstol were, were apparently all just based on loyalty to Ron’s regime.

 

[Lindberg]

The amount of bad logic being applied here is pretty appalling.

The past 10 years is just a decade or so of bad scouting.

Trading Richards and Carter to sign Bryzgalov. Signing VLC. Not trading Simmonds before his expiration date. Drafting Morin, Rubstov, etc. Acquiring Hayes at his price tag. Drafting Nolan Patrick vice Makar/etc. Hiring Hakstol and then AV. Pronger going down although he wouldn't of stayed too much longer I suspect but the transition would have been far easier to swallow.

There does seem to be some stigma attached to the organization "Broad street bullies" and that really needs to go.

 

[Lindberg]

We already know who the GM is, and why he made all those moves. He’s told us at length. This is like the nonsense where people claimed Ghost wasn’t hurt in 19-20, even though he publicly talked in detail about how his injuries affected him.

The Flyers are a terrible team this season. You don’t need to spend all day making excuses for Fletcher and imagining conspiracy theories for why that’s the case.

I was like what did I just read.

It's amusing and sad at the same time to read that, it's just like "I can't admit I'm wrong so I'll double down"

 

[Coalregion12]

What is the constant?

Clarke and Holgren