2024 University Cup

[AUS Fan]

If UQTR wins Queens cup… committee will have to choose between 2 options to manipulate the seedlings to avoid in conference QF match ups…
1. Move UdeM (assuming UNB wins AUS) from the 6th seed (conference runner ups have to be #4 (OUA), #5 & #6) to the 7th seed and move OUA bronze winner from 7th to 6th… matchups would be:
Thursday:
1. UNB vs 8. Brock/McGill loser
4. TMU vs 5. Calgary
Friday:
2. UQTR vs 7. UdeM
3. UBC vs 6. Brock / McGill winner
OR
2. Flip flop #2&3…Move UBC to #2 and UQTR to #3. Matchups would be:
Thursday:
1. UNB vs 8. Brock / McGill loser
4. TMU vs 5. Calgary
Friday:
2. UBC vs Brock/McGill winner
3. UQTR vs 6. UdeM

Either scenario

I think they would be OK with UQTR-BRK game. In my mind BRK/MCG should be 7-8.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

I could see the OUA bronze winner being ranked ahead of Moncton, especially if it’s McGill. Both had better regular seasons + McGill was ranked in the 4-6 range the last few polls, while Brock was in and out of the top ten. I don’t know if Moncton was ranked all season.

 

[AUS Fan]

I could see the OUA bronze winner being ranked ahead of Moncton, especially if it’s McGill. Both had better regular seasons + McGill was ranked in the 4-6 range the last few polls, while Brock was in and out of the top ten. I don’t know if Moncton was ranked all season.

Good point.

 

[Hollywood3]

Unless Moncton win the AUS:
Moncton will likely face the OUA champion.
UNB will likely play the OUA 4th place.
UBC will likely play the OUA 3rd place.
Calgary will likely play the OUA 2nd place.

 

[AUS Fan]

UNB clinches #1 seed with a 3-0 win over UdeM.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

#1 UNB v #8 Brock/Mcgill
#4 UQTR/TMU v #5 Calgary
-
#2 UBC v #7 McGill/Brock
#3 TMU/UQTR v #6 Moncton

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

#1 UNB v #8 Brock/Mcgill
#4 UQTR/TMU v #5 Calgary
-
#2 UBC v #7 McGill/Brock
#3 TMU/UQTR v #6 Moncton

I wouldn’t be surprised if U.Q.T.R. goes in #2 if they take the OUA.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

I wouldn’t be surprised if U.Q.T.R. goes in #2 if they take the OUA.

Same but I’ve heard USPORTS wants to avoid conference games

 

[AdamMcg83]

I wouldn’t be surprised if U.Q.T.R. goes in #2 if they take the OUA.

In the most recent rankings (Feb 26), UQTR was 2nd and UBC was 5th - if UQTR wins, there is no reason to believe UBC would jump them for the #2 seed.

If UQTR/McG win:

1. UNB
2. UQTR
3. UBC
4. TMU
5. CAL
6. McG
7. U de M
8. Brock

 

[AUS Fan]

Same but I’ve heard USPORTS wants to avoid conference games

I agree with UQTR at #2 with a Queen's Cup win. I think the game the organizers want to avoid is UQTR-MCG or TMU-BRK, since they just played a series.
If UQTR and MCG win, then the seeding can look like this:

#1 UNB v #8 Brock
#4 TMU v #5 Calgary

#3 UBC v #6 McGill
#2 UQTR v #7 UdeM

In the most recent rankings (Feb 26), UQTR was 2nd and UBC was 5th - if UQTR wins, there is no reason to believe UBC would jump them for the #2 seed.

If UQTR/McG win:

1. UNB
2. UQTR
3. UBC
4. TMU
5. CAL
6. McG
7. U de M
8. Brock

I was typing when you posted this....

 

[AdamMcg83]

I could see the OUA bronze winner being ranked ahead of Moncton, especially if it’s McGill. Both had better regular seasons + McGill was ranked in the 4-6 range the last few polls, while Brock was in and out of the top ten. I don’t know if Moncton was ranked all season.

The most recent rankings (Feb 26) has Brock at 9 and U de M at 13 (the lowest of the 8-team field).

Unless there are big swings with the latest ELO before the seeding is announced (and I'm not sure why there would be), then I think it's safe to assume U de M at #7 - and moved up from #8 to avoid the interconference matchup in round one.

 

[Hollywood3]

The rule states that teams can be moved two places to avoid conference match-ups. That's easily done.

 

[AUS Fan]

Mar 5 ELO Rankings:

1. UNB
2. UQTR
3. UBC
4. MCG
5. CAL
6. TMU
10. BRK
13. UdeM

 

[RED ARMY EAST]

Mar 5 ELO Rankings:

1. UNB
2. UQTR
3. UBC
4. MCG
5. CAL
6. TMU
10. BRK
13. UdeM

Depending on the Queens cup and bronze medal results, maybe some small tweaking on the seeding.
UQTR over TMU, as I see the Pats as possibly the best team in the field, other than UNB.
McGill over Brock.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

From what I’ve watched (admittedly, not much), I think McGill might be the weakest of the OUA teams left. Their goaltending seems the shakiest of any of the four teams.

 

[AUS Fan]

Depending on the Queens cup and bronze medal results, maybe some small tweaking on the seeding.
UQTR over TMU, as I see the Pats as possibly the best team in the field, other than UNB.
McGill over Brock.

The final rankings will be out next Sunday (?) after Queen's Cup/Bronze game. If TMU and/or BRK win the seedings will be somewhat different from what I posted above.

 

[Drummer]

The Top 10 ELO is a 'guide' for the committee. The top 3 (1-3) and 5-7 are supposed be 'seeded' based on their 'ranking' then you can flip any team in the lower half (5-8) two spots to avoid intra-conf. games.

1 UNB 1978
2 UQTR 1819 <- if UQTR wins QC, they remain #2
3 UBC 1775
4 McG 1735
5 CAL 1734
6 TMU 1728
7 OTT 1699
8 MRU 1683
9 ALB 1632
10 BRK 1626
11 CON 1620
12 USK 1618
13 UdM 1610

Despite UdeM's low ELO, they will not be #8 (avoid #1 UNB)

If you treat UdeM as a 'runner-up', they would traditionally be in the 5-6 spot, if you go with ELO they would be 8th, but bumped to #7 to avoid UNB. So - they could be either 6-7 (CAL will be 5th)

As for "CAL will be 5th", there is only an ELO difference of 1 when compared to McG and it avoids an OUA/OUA in the 4/5 game (assuming McG wins bronze). On the topic of avoiding OUA/OUA, you don't want McG/BRK in the certain spots depending on who wins the QC

1. If UQTR wins QC
UNB, UQTR, UBC, TMU / CAL, McG/BRK, UdM, BRK/McG

2. If TMU wins QC
UNB, UBC, TMU, UQTR / CAL, UdM, BRK/McG, BRK/McG

 

[Drummer]

Interesting that 5 of top 10 teams have the same record but vastly different ELOs. Almost 200 pots between #2 and #10, but all had the same record and points (42)

2 UQTR 1819 21-7
4 McG 1735 21-7
5 CAL 1734 21-7
8 MRU 1683 21-7
10 BRK 1626 21-7

 

[AdamMcg83]

The Top 10 ELO is a 'guide' for the committee. The top 3 (1-3) and 5-7 are supposed be 'seeded' based on their 'ranking' then you can flip any team in the lower half (5-8) two spots to avoid intra-conf. games.

1 UNB 1978
2 UQTR 1819 <- if UQTR wins QC, they remain #2
3 UBC 1775
4 McG 1735
5 CAL 1734
6 TMU 1728
7 OTT 1699
8 MRU 1683
9 ALB 1632
10 BRK 1626
11 CON 1620
12 USK 1618
13 UdM 1610

Despite UdeM's low ELO, they will not be #8 (avoid #1 UNB)

If you treat UdeM as a 'runner-up', they would traditionally be in the 5-6 spot, if you go with ELO they would be 8th, but bumped to #7 to avoid UNB. So - they could be either 6-7 (CAL will be 5th)

As for "CAL will be 5th", there is only an ELO difference of 1 when compared to McG and it avoids an OUA/OUA in the 4/5 game (assuming McG wins bronze). On the topic of avoiding OUA/OUA, you don't want McG/BRK in the certain spots depending on who wins the QC

1. If UQTR wins QC
UNB, UQTR, UBC, TMU / CAL, McG/BRK, UdM, BRK/McG

2. If TMU wins QC
UNB, UBC, TMU, UQTR / CAL, UdM, BRK/McG, BRK/McG

The most interesting thing to me is in your scenario #2, if McGill wins bronze: their ELO is waaaay better than U de M, so will the committee move U de M Up the full two spots to avoid an OUA East/OUA West round 1 matchup?

Other than that, I think the brackets are fairly straightforward for all other OUA scenarios this weekend.

Interesting that 5 of top 10 teams have the same record but vastly different ELOs. Almost 200 pots between #2 and #10, but all had the same record and points (42)

2 UQTR 1819 21-7
4 McG 1735 21-7
5 CAL 1734 21-7
8 MRU 1683 21-7
10 BRK 1626 21-7

I guess we know that the strength-of-schedule portion of the ELO equation is working as designed! The OUA East was a bit deeper than CanWest, and much deeper than the OUA West.

 

[AUS Fan]

The Top 10 ELO is a 'guide' for the committee. The top 3 (1-3) and 5-7 are supposed be 'seeded' based on their 'ranking' then you can flip any team in the lower half (5-8) two spots to avoid intra-conf. games.

1 UNB 1978
2 UQTR 1819 <- if UQTR wins QC, they remain #2
3 UBC 1775
4 McG 1735
5 CAL 1734
6 TMU 1728
7 OTT 1699
8 MRU 1683
9 ALB 1632
10 BRK 1626
11 CON 1620
12 USK 1618
13 UdM 1610

Despite UdeM's low ELO, they will not be #8 (avoid #1 UNB)

If you treat UdeM as a 'runner-up', they would traditionally be in the 5-6 spot, if you go with ELO they would be 8th, but bumped to #7 to avoid UNB. So - they could be either 6-7 (CAL will be 5th)

As for "CAL will be 5th", there is only an ELO difference of 1 when compared to McG and it avoids an OUA/OUA in the 4/5 game (assuming McG wins bronze). On the topic of avoiding OUA/OUA, you don't want McG/BRK in the certain spots depending on who wins the QC

1. If UQTR wins QC
UNB, UQTR, UBC, TMU / CAL, McG/BRK, UdM, BRK/McG

2. If TMU wins QC
UNB, UBC, TMU, UQTR / CAL, UdM, BRK/McG, BRK/McG

UdeM would benefit from a TMU win in Queen's Cup.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

If TMU and McGill win I could see them face each other in the 3/6 game with Moncton/Brock at 7/8. There’s nothing that prevents that matchup and I’m not sure you can justify moving Moncton ahead of McGill. If I were McGill I would be peeved about having to face a superior UBC team rather than TMU (based on ELO).

 

[Rob]

So who here is going to the UCup in Toronto? I know AUS Fan and Freddy Foyle are.

Edit: Myself.

 

[AUS Fan]

So who here is going to the UCup in Toronto? I know AUS Fan and Freddy Foyle are.

Edit: Myself.

There's 2 guys from Halifax, a couple from Wolfville and 2 Alberta guys from Edmonton.

 

[timbitca]

I'm still trying to figure out a travel plan. Getting there isn't an issue, it's not sleeping out on the street for a week that's the problem.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

I'm still trying to figure out a travel plan. Getting there isn't an issue, it's not sleeping out on the street for a week that's the problem.

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